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Delarge
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Request to move salvia to ODD
#18765491 - 08/27/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think salvia should be a sub-category for the psychedelic experience, and I'm requesting to move it to other drug discussion.
In my experiences salvia should NOT be classified as a psychedelic. If anything it's almost the exact opposite of a psychedelic, a sort of drug that breaks all the rules.
It doesn't show you light, it shows you darkness.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
#18765529 - 08/27/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had more intense visuals off salvia than I did off shrooms. They were pretty dark like you stated, salvia seemed to grab me by teeth and rip my mouth through my ass
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It's totally a psychedelic, and a very powerful one at that. It effects people differently too, so your experiences may not reflect those of others. I'm not a fan of the body high, but the visions are very intense and dream-like.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Thisfire]
#18765698 - 08/27/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think salvia should be a sub-category for the psychedelic experience, and I'm requesting to move it to other drug discussion.

Salvia is widely accepted as an atypical psychedelic. I don't get your argument at all, it should definitely stay in this forum.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: eMpire420]
#18765715 - 08/27/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Labs4858]
#18765723 - 08/27/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This argument fails. People love salvia here
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Delarge
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i think salvia is a very powerful hallucinogen, but not a psychedelic.
datura also gives extremely intense and dream like visuals... so can cough syrup..
shrooms, dmt, and acid give way different visuals, and a light that is a sort of teacher.
im not putting salvia down, i just don't think it belongs in the same category as psychedelics.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
#18765958 - 08/27/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ODD vs. PE has nothing to do with whether or not something is psychedelic. There are lots of psychedelics that can only be discussed in ODD, and some non-psychedelics that can be discussed in PE.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
#18765985 - 08/27/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i don't know for sure it sure doesn't match up with like LSD or DMT but i have no idea if its a Psychedelic i say its a Delirirant , Dissociative , and a Psychedelic but that's just me
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Delarge
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: spixce]
#18766073 - 08/27/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's just the other sub-categories are DMT, LSD, LSA, Mescaline, Mushrooms, Marijuana.
and then we have salvia grouped in with these...

it's use as a tool is completely different than the others.. i see the beginning of the universe and then salvia smokes me, not just literally... its so dark... its like the yin to psychedelics yang.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
#18766094 - 08/27/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i see what you mean
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Delarge
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: spixce]
#18766135 - 08/27/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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at least someone can see my point of view 
anyways, salvia drops you down. (triangle(plant) brain/into the underworld/night time) psychedelics pick you back up! (halo's(animal brain)/going to heaven/ the light (the sun) )
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Edited by Delarge (08/27/13 09:45 PM)
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: spixce]
#18766154 - 08/27/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see what you mean but feel it belongs even less in ODD with the heroin users! It is without question a tool of mental/universal exploration even if it doesn't in effect match up to the others in the psychedelic category.
Its natural, non habit forming or addictive, very safe physically and can break one through into otherworldly and alien realms.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
#18766199 - 08/27/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey they're all drugs i view most of them the same drugs are dangerous but we do what we do anyway smoking anything will cause lung problems
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
#18766230 - 08/27/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think we shouldn't classify something as psychedelic if it doesn't mess with 5HT2A receptors as a primary effect.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#18766318 - 08/27/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I comment clearing up that it's widely accepted as an atypical psychedelic (which is why it doesn't fit in with LSD, shrooms, etc) yet you guys continue to argue whether it's a psychedelic.
Just because it's not a happy go lucky recreational psychedelic like some of the others doesn't mean it can't be used as a very powerful tool.
You can argue and flame me, but I'm just stating facts.
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Wikipedia: Classical or serotonergic psychedelics (agonists for the 5-HT2A serotonin receptors) include LSD (also known as "acid"), psilocin (the active constituent of psilocybin mushrooms, commonly known as "magic mushrooms" or "shrooms"), mescaline (the active constituent of peyote), and DMT (the active constituent of ayahuasca and potentially an endogenous psychedelic compound). Salvia divinorum is an atypical psychedelic that has been gaining popularity over the past decade, due to its legality in many US states. It is often compared to DMT due to its short and very intense trip. A few newer synthetics such as MDMA and 2C-B have also enjoyed some popularity. Marijuana, one of the most widely used psychoactive drugs in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_drug#Examples
Erowid even has salvia listed as an atypical psychedelic.
I think salvia would be much more out of place in ODD.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: eMpire420]
#18766341 - 08/27/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Philosophically, I think you may have a point, but I think it fits the definition of a Psychedelic. I am not the most experienced person with Salvia (hopefully that will change soon) but I am not really sure I agree that it shows you darkness. I have read way too many trip reports of powerful insights that are not necessarily dark, I think Saliva's threshold for crazy trips just happens to be lower.
IMHO.
Good topic though
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: eMpire420]
#18766343 - 08/27/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Salvia not a psychedelic??
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18766442 - 08/27/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have never become a tree person branching out into multiple dimensions on traditional psychedelics and i havnt seen the beginning of the universe happen in front of my eyes on traditional psychedelics.
salvia to me feels the DMT version of my datura trips. More like a dream thats dreamier than a dream and more real than reality,
not the way i feel AWAKE on psych's...
like mushrooms or DMT is the skin, the earth, and the egg, and i am LOVED
and salvia is like the veins and the inner guts and neurons and under world. and i am ALONE
it makes me wonder what kind of trips you guys are having?
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Edited by Delarge (08/27/13 11:08 PM)
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