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A hole in Walt's statement (Breaking Bad spoiler)
    #18765879 - 08/27/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

On this past episode of Breaking Bad, Walt threatened Hank by giving him a DVD of his "confession", which stated that Hank was the mastermind behind the whole thing.  The most troubling part for Hank is that Walt revealed that he had given $177,000 to Hank for medical expenses after he got shot. 

I think there's a huge hole in this story for Walt.  If Hank was the big boss, then surely he'd have enough money for his medical expenses.  Way more money than his employee Walt would have to give.  So I think if this were real life, Hank would have him, because the lie doesn't make sense.  What do you think?

PS - Having said this, I still think it was an epic episode.














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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Learyfan]
    #18765988 - 08/27/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

oic, I thought you meant him being promoted at work.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: luvdemboomers] * 3
    #18766033 - 08/27/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, you just repeated exactly what I said, but in a different way. 

















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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Learyfan] * 2
    #18766172 - 08/27/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's not really a hole imo, if Hank was really forcing Walt to cook meth and "selling" him to Gus, surely he could force him to cover his medical bills by blaming the situation on Walt or something.

The damage of the $177,000 is that it shows that Hank took drug money from Walt. It only makes a connection between them more likely because if Hank didn't know Walt was cooking, he would not expect him to have $177k and would have questioned where the money came from. Even if Hank said that Walt had used the gambling back story, it only looks like Hank had a canned response waiting to go.

Bottom line is that Hank is DEA and did have connections to Gus Fring, if it turns out that Walt was the cook it certainly implicates Hank. I'm sure there's paperwork backing up the ride along too, so Walt can point to a bunch of shit that verifies his story and Hank can't point to anything that legitimizes his counter claim.

TL;DR - Walt's story has strong circumstantial evidence and on paper he looks like an innocent family man. Hank only has anecdotal evidence and the book, and on paper he looks like exactly the guy poised to take advantage of the meth trade. In court Hank would lose 95% of the time.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18766210 - 08/27/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i knew this was a spoiler but i looked anyway :okay:





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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Learyfan]
    #18766229 - 08/27/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I hadn't seen an episode since like season two or some shit, but what really didn't make sense to me is if Hank was the mastermind he would have just gone to Albuquerque and let the case die instead of refusing to go and sticking around to pursue it in the first place. It makes no sense.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: jewunit]
    #18766297 - 08/27/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

doesnt need to make sense. pretty much one piece needs to connect to ruin his life and having accepted money from a druglord is more than sufficient. who in the hell would believe the 'I thought it was gambling winnings' defense?


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: jewunit]
    #18766304 - 08/27/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The title of this thread is kind of a semi-spoiler in itself, is it not?

Anyway, if it went to court, wouldn't it be suspicious enough to reinforce Walt's lie because Hanks medical bills would have all paid in cash, most likely?

If Hank paid for his own bills cleanly, it would be from his bank account, I would think. So there being $177,000 all paid in suspiciously in cash really is the nail in the coffin, as Hank put it.

Hank is really in a pickle, now.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18766310 - 08/27/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Rider, I understand the situation.  You don't have to explain it to me.  What I'm saying is the no kingpin (supposedly Hank) would need money from his employee (supposedly Walt), who is making far less, to cover Hank's medical bills.  What would be the point of that?  If Hank is who Walt says he is, he makes 10 times what Walt does.
















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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: ManianFH]
    #18766340 - 08/27/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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doesnt need to make sense. pretty much one piece needs to connect to ruin his life and having accepted money from a druglord is more than sufficient. who in the hell would believe the 'I thought it was gambling winnings' defense?




No.  Just the fact that Hank needed the money, proves that he was no kingpin.  You mean he really needed to rely on the funds of someone making far, far less than he would be?  His wife's story of accepting the money under the pretense of it being gambling earnings makes a whole lot more sense than Hank (the big, big boss) needing a measly $177,000 from his employee? 















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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18766349 - 08/27/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They should have had walt jr. make a save my uncle hank website and laundered money through that. To late now though. I still don't see the video adding up at all. I feel like if i were to rewatch the entire show there'd be some blatant plot holes. How about when hank pointed the finger at gus and the dea didn't believe him? Or when he took them to the landromat, i mean sure they didn't discover the lab until later but i really don't see them pointing fingers at the guy who clearlybrought them within inches of catching himself everytime.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Learyfan]
    #18766425 - 08/27/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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doesnt need to make sense. pretty much one piece needs to connect to ruin his life and having accepted money from a druglord is more than sufficient. who in the hell would believe the 'I thought it was gambling winnings' defense?




No.  Just the fact that Hank needed the money, proves that he was no kingpin.  You mean he really needed to rely on the funds of someone making far, far less than he would be?  His wife's story of accepting the money under the pretense of it being gambling earnings makes a whole lot more sense than Hank (the big, big boss) needing a measly $177,000 from his employee?



He was addressing my point. Even without holes aside it seems like it would be pretty easy for a high ranking DEA agent to not have this be an issue. Especially since, ya know, Walt isn't dead.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Learyfan]
    #18766865 - 08/28/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Rider, I understand the situation.  You don't have to explain it to me.  What I'm saying is the no kingpin (supposedly Hank) would need money from his employee (supposedly Walt), who is making far less, to cover Hank's medical bills.  What would be the point of that?  If Hank is who Walt says he is, he makes 10 times what Walt does.




That's not objectively true, there are tons of high earners who live paycheck to paycheck where if they got hit with a surprise $177k bill it would fuck their finances up even if they were raking $6M a year.

There are enough possible reasons for why Hank would have Walt give him the money. Hank would likely have his millions tied up in a third party money washing operation and may not be able to withdraw that much at one time. He might have it in minerals, or metals. He also could have just not trusted his usual handlers after being shot and turned to Walt as family.

It's not a significant hole in the story. It is entirely damaging to Hank's credibility and not at all to Walt's.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18766875 - 08/28/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What I thought was a hole, was how quickly Jesse put together what walt did with the ricin cigarette.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: jewunit]
    #18766903 - 08/28/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No.  Just the fact that Hank needed the money, proves that he was no kingpin.  You mean he really needed to rely on the funds of someone making far, far less than he would be?  His wife's story of accepting the money under the pretense of it being gambling earnings makes a whole lot more sense than Hank (the big, big boss) needing a measly $177,000 from his employee?





Hank thought his insurance was covering the procedure while his wife chose a different one that wasn't covered and paid for it with Walt's money, he didn't even know.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #18766911 - 08/28/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

how the fuck do you work for the DEA and aren't insured for bullets :lol:


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Konyap]
    #18767041 - 08/28/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Leary you should change the title. its a spoiler in and of itself :lol:


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18767239 - 08/28/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Rider, I understand the situation.  You don't have to explain it to me.  What I'm saying is the no kingpin (supposedly Hank) would need money from his employee (supposedly Walt), who is making far less, to cover Hank's medical bills.  What would be the point of that?  If Hank is who Walt says he is, he makes 10 times what Walt does.




That's not objectively true, there are tons of high earners who live paycheck to paycheck where if they got hit with a surprise $177k bill it would fuck their finances up even if they were raking $6M a year.

There are enough possible reasons for why Hank would have Walt give him the money. Hank would likely have his millions tied up in a third party money washing operation and may not be able to withdraw that much at one time. He might have it in minerals, or metals. He also could have just not trusted his usual handlers after being shot and turned to Walt as family.

It's not a significant hole in the story. It is entirely damaging to Hank's credibility and not at all to Walt's.



Surprised walt didn't say hank laundered money in minerals, it would have added up. Anybody ever think that maybe walt's telling the truth and it's all the gretest plot twist in cinematic history? I'm really hoping that's the case.


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Learyfan]
    #18767251 - 08/28/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

regardless of whether it accords with hank being the overall kingpin or not, it still directly links a DEA agent to the proceeds of crime. $177,000 knowingly accepted and used for his own benefit from a drug dealer.


thats a wrap for hank!


couple this with walt's testimony, and hank's vigilante nature, being shot by the mexican mafia, the way he assaults known drug assosciates of the syndicate (pinkman), all in all it leads to the conclusion that hank was a dirty cop!


also, how did hank just discover his stroke of genius to go and investigate gustavo's fried chicken business, and his meth lab at the washing place? pure luck or was he trying to whipe out his competitors?


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Re: A hole in Walt's confession (Breaking Bad spoiler) [Re: Soulidarity]
    #18767334 - 08/28/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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They should have had walt jr. make a save my uncle hank website and laundered money through that. To late now though.




Good idea.  :thumbup:






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That's not objectively true, there are tons of high earners who live paycheck to paycheck where if they got hit with a surprise $177k bill it would fuck their finances up even if they were raking $6M a year.




No way.  Walt made that every week or so, which means that, if Hank were the big boss, he would be making WAY more than that, which means that 177K would be chump change. 






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What I thought was a hole, was how quickly Jesse put together what walt did with the ricin cigarette.




I didn't think that was a hole, but I don't see how they're saying that someone lifted Jesse's joints and also took the cigarette out of his pack and then put it back in his pocket?  What the fuck?  When could that have happened?






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Hank thought his insurance was covering the procedure while his wife chose a different one that wasn't covered and paid for it with Walt's money, he didn't even know.




Stop explaining the situation to me.  I get it!  :crankey:






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Leary you should change the title. its a spoiler in and of itself :lol:




I changed it.  Not sure if that's enough.






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Anybody ever think that maybe walt's telling the truth and it's all the gretest plot twist in cinematic history? I'm really hoping that's the case.




I thought about that too, but there's no way it could be.






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regardless of whether it accords with hank being the overall kingpin or not, it still directly links a DEA agent to the proceeds of crime. $177,000 knowingly accepted and used for his own benefit from a drug dealer.

thats a wrap for hank!

couple this with walt's testimony, and hank's vigilante nature, being shot by the mexican mafia, the way he assaults known drug assosciates of the syndicate (pinkman), all in all it leads to the conclusion that hank was a dirty cop!

also, how did hank just discover his stroke of genius to go and investigate gustavo's fried chicken business, and his meth lab at the washing place? pure luck or was he trying to whipe out his competitors?




You make good points, but I think he and Marie could just explain that they thought Walt's money was from gambling.  It sounds legit to me.  :shrug:
















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