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krypto2000
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Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference?
#18765859 - 08/27/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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They definitely change over time, but myself having never isolated a single strain for comparison I don't know if there's any difference in the effects/potency. What I mean by change is they'll grab moisture from the air and actually, to some extent, start growing again (at least to the point of rehydration, but as we all know you *can* simply throw a cracker dried mushroom in the ground however old and it will grow, they never truly die in a sense). So quite simply, this being the case, it would stand to reason the alkaloid content would likewise adjust over time, however much I can't say without a control. Perhaps there's a point where all the psilocybin converts back to psilocin leading to a cleaner trip . No idea, just a thought.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: krypto2000]
#18765888 - 08/27/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Curing, you mean leaving them 100% dried, in a sealed container for a long time, like how you cure bud? (I think)
Personally, it doesn't sound plausible right off the bat. But who knows.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18765941 - 08/27/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your stomach acid will convert the psilocybin into psilocin via removal of the phosphate group anyway. For curing bud you actually leave a bit of moisture in it then jar it up and burp it a couple times a day. It doesn't make the bud more potent though, it just brings out that smell from the terpenes that are present in buds (rather than it smelling like hay) and makes it less harsh.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: mushmagic]
#18765972 - 08/27/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushmagic said: Your stomach acid will convert the psilocybin into psilocin via removal of the phosphate group anyway. For curing bud you actually leave a bit of moisture in it then jar it up and burp it a couple times a day. It doesn't make the bud more potent though, it just brings out that smell from the terpenes that are present in buds (rather than it smelling like hay) and makes it less harsh.
That all makes sense to me, I hate the taste of uncured weed. I've just never had the opportunity to cure bud, or grow it 
What do you mean by burp it? Let the air out?
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18766001 - 08/27/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep just leave it open for a few, you don't want it to end up molding. You don't want it too moist when you jar it though and you can't forget to burp it or mold will be inevitable.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: mushmagic]
#18766017 - 08/27/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushmagic said: Yep just leave it open for a few, you don't want it to end up molding. You don't want it too moist when you jar it though and you can't forget to burp it or mold will be inevitable.
Oh I see. Maybe I'll have to read an article on it so you don't have to keep answering my questions 
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18766056 - 08/27/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Curing bud *does* affect the high, it decarboxylates the weed which changes the cannabinoid ratios bringing out more THC, and likewise the other cannabinoids affect the high as they act synergistically with the THC, at least CBD does, I'm not sure what other alkaloids contribute to the experience.
With mushrooms we don't know what effect the alkaloid ratios have at this point. It could be that converting psilocybin to psilocin for instance is hard on the stomach, which would explain negative body highs, nausea, etc. I've had this happen, but quite rarely, however I've heard others report it much more often. At this point there's really no reason to believe one way or the other what the other alkaloids present within mushrooms do because they're under-researched. Imagine in the 60's, or hell, hundreds of years ago, what people thought of marijuana before they succesfully isolated strains. I can hear it now, 'A weed is a weed, just smoke it.'
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: krypto2000]
#18766162 - 08/27/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think we're basically as advanced with plant growing as we are with fungi growing. We can have isolates of each at any rate.
Hopefully near future experiments will study the one other alkaloid in psilocybin mushrooms, baeocystin.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18766186 - 08/27/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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And maybe even discover more . For all we know they produce the full range of psychedelic alkaloids just in quantities too small to currently detect. I have no reason to believe that, but it's a cool thought, imagine if you could isolate a strain that produced mescaline or LSD . I would absolutely *love* a mescaline producing mushroom, that's by far my favorite psychedelic.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: krypto2000]
#18766208 - 08/27/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No point in curing them. Just make sure they are dry. Don't use too much heat when drying them. Nothing over 102-105 degrees F.
If you are worried about them absorbing moisture throw in a bag of non-toxic desiccant.

Mushrooms won't have a better taste or be smoother by letting them sit longer. It is important to dry them so they don't oxidize.
Mushrooms that are not properly dried or are only 1/2 dried risk turning mushy and black. (not good) They can also get bacterial blotch and other secondary molds if they are still partially wet.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: mastercultivator]
#18766338 - 08/27/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mastercultivator said: Don't use too much heat when drying them. Nothing over 102-105 degrees F.

I dry all my mushrooms at 165F and they are potent as hell.
Heat does not decrease potency in any noticeable way, this has been discussed again and again.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: mastercultivator]
#18766402 - 08/27/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mastercultivator said: No point in curing them. Just make sure they are dry. Don't use too much heat when drying them. Nothing over 102-105 degrees F.
If you are worried about them absorbing moisture throw in a bag of non-toxic desiccant.

Mushrooms won't have a better taste or be smoother by letting them sit longer. It is important to dry them so they don't oxidize.
Mushrooms that are not properly dried or are only 1/2 dried risk turning mushy and black. (not good) They can also get bacterial blotch and other secondary molds if they are still partially wet.
i always dry at 160 degrees F. A good number of trusted cultivators would agree with me.
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18766504 - 08/27/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh, hey. including frank horrigan
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Re: Anyone ever tried curing mushrooms? Have you noticed a difference? [Re: krypto2000]
#18766731 - 08/28/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Curing bud *does* affect the high, it decarboxylates the weed which changes the cannabinoid ratios bringing out more THC, and likewise the other cannabinoids affect the high as they act synergistically with the THC, at least CBD does, I'm not sure what other alkaloids contribute to the experience.
Hmm I learned something new, I'm gonna have to do some research on this.
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