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Acacia defat.
    #18758219 - 08/26/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Although Mimosa hostilis root bark extracts fairly cleanly with minimal plant fats if you want to remove what little of it there is you can do so without adding an acid to the powder with water by just mixing the dry (no H20) root bark powder into enough naphtha to allow all of the powder to be freely stirred up into the fluid for a few minutes and then filtered out of the naphtha which is then discarded. For an extreme defat heat the naphtha to near its boiling point and then stir the powder into it but be sure to pour off every drop of naphtha you can when done and throw that naphtha away, you should not use it for anything more in the process. Once you are done with the solvent defat the root bark powder is then dumped into the basified mix, as is and wet with naphtha if you like, or after drying. No harm adding root bark with a little naphtha still soaked into it from the defat, you are just going to end up pouring more naphtha in anyway. This "dry" defat without water works very well to remove what fats there are but is not really needed if extracting the plant material at room temperature.


Would that method be fine to defat acacia bark?


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Marcuss]
    #18758227 - 08/26/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this isn't really in the right place.

I appreciate you're trying to do a write-up and inform people. But you should explain better, or at least indent or something. :shrug:


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18758230 - 08/26/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OOH you're asking.

always read ENTIRE OP before replying :facepalm:


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18758235 - 08/26/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Haha all good dude! i know it shouldn't really be in this forum but i figured i might get a reply sooner! my dog really wants to start tonight


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Marcuss]
    #18758239 - 08/26/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha all good dude! i know it shouldn't really be in this forum but i figured i might get a reply sooner! my dog really wants to start tonight



haha yeah, I post shit in the pub when it doesn't belong there for the same reason. whats the harm anyway?

I know you're excited, I remember my first time. But it can be a longish process (i might just suck) and patience is valuable.


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18758246 - 08/26/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah i probably should be more patient but i am just excited :L, powdering bark without a coffee grinder was much more difficult then expected... mortar and pestle just doesn't cut it... :L


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Marcuss]
    #18758260 - 08/26/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just used a big blender.

Do you have litmus paper or something? Not getting the correct ph range hinders the process.


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18758277 - 08/26/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

nope, i was just planning on following the amounts stated in the tek to achieve the correct ph levels, i have the bark to a reasonably fine state, if i were to defat this way would very small chips no bigger then 5mm be fine to soak in naphtha? or would i need to powder it to make sure the naphtha takes all the fats and oils?


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Marcuss]
    #18758285 - 08/26/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

well, I'm no chemistry buff. But more surface area = more thorough extraction, therefore possibly greater yield.


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18758293 - 08/26/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah guess i should just wait till i buy a blender, so this should work perfectly fine to defat acacia bark?


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Marcuss]
    #18758295 - 08/26/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yup. 5mm sounds pretty damn small to me :lol:


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18758682 - 08/26/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No need to defat acacia IME.  Use q21's tek with pickling lime and there's no need to check the Ph.  Just get it to the proper consistancy.  Its seriously easier than baking a cake.  The only hard part is the steps that require waiting.:smile:


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #18759528 - 08/26/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Are acacia extracts any good? I may be trading some k for some but I haven't done any deems that wasn't mimosa. If so that's pretty exciting to see the DMT production pick up again


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #18760316 - 08/26/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No need to defat acacia IME.  Use q21's tek with pickling lime and there's no need to check the Ph.  Just get it to the proper consistancy.  Its seriously easier than baking a cake.  The only hard part is the steps that require waiting.:smile:




Do this.

Your method sounds like it's fine though. Careful when you say "filter" though. You want to say "Decant". PH isn't the biggest deal. Like someone else said, learn the right consistency/color and your life will be made easier. PH strips aren't a bad investment though.


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18761477 - 08/26/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Are acacia extracts any good? I may be trading some k for some but I haven't done any deems that wasn't mimosa. If so that's pretty exciting to see the DMT production pick up again




  It seems to come on a bit slower though, and leaves a longer afterglow, likely from the nmt.  It may be a tad weaker by weight for the same reason.(its so hard to tell with such vastly different trips anyway) Different batches of bark have different amounts of both alkaloids so its kind of up to chance, but it will get you to the same place for sure. 

Be careful with eyeballing doses.  The consistancy and density of the crystals very much greater than mimosa IME


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #18764068 - 08/27/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Kief Ledger said:
Quote:

JacksonMetaller said:
Are acacia extracts any good? I may be trading some k for some but I haven't done any deems that wasn't mimosa. If so that's pretty exciting to see the DMT production pick up again




  It seems to come on a bit slower though, and leaves a longer afterglow, likely from the nmt.  It may be a tad weaker by weight for the same reason.(its so hard to tell with such vastly different trips anyway) Different batches of bark have different amounts of both alkaloids so its kind of up to chance, but it will get you to the same place for sure. 

Be careful with eyeballing doses.  The consistancy and density of the crystals very much greater than mimosa IME



Um, both mimosa and acacia contain the same kind of DMT. Therefore, the same exact chemical = the same effects

Also, acacia is basically just as easy and effective to extract, but some people have a harder time getting pure enough product because there are more fats in acacia.

There is a tek specifically for dealing with the fats in acacia. Worked for me, heres the link

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39030


I recommend reading all the different teks to really learn what you're doing and why. It helped me a great deal at least


good luck bro :vibin:


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18765630 - 08/27/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
Quote:

Kief Ledger said:
Quote:

JacksonMetaller said:
Are acacia extracts any good? I may be trading some k for some but I haven't done any deems that wasn't mimosa. If so that's pretty exciting to see the DMT production pick up again




  It seems to come on a bit slower though, and leaves a longer afterglow, likely from the nmt.  It may be a tad weaker by weight for the same reason.(its so hard to tell with such vastly different trips anyway) Different batches of bark have different amounts of both alkaloids so its kind of up to chance, but it will get you to the same place for sure. 

Be careful with eyeballing doses.  The consistancy and density of the crystals very much greater than mimosa IME



Um, both mimosa and acacia contain the same kind of DMT. Therefore, the same exact chemical = the same effects

Also, acacia is basically just as easy and effective to extract, but some people have a harder time getting pure enough product because there are more fats in acacia.

There is a tek specifically for dealing with the fats in acacia. Worked for me, heres the link

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39030


I recommend reading all the different teks to really learn what you're doing and why. It helped me a great deal at least


good luck bro :vibin:




False.

You are correct that the DMT in mimosa is the same as the DMT in acacia. 50% of the alkaloids in acacia are NMT, which is a different chemical. This could account for a different consistency and altered experience.


Edited by ressa69 (08/27/13 08:06 PM)


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: ressa69]
    #18765712 - 08/27/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ressa69 said:
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rbalzer said:
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Kief Ledger said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
Are acacia extracts any good? I may be trading some k for some but I haven't done any deems that wasn't mimosa. If so that's pretty exciting to see the DMT production pick up again




  It seems to come on a bit slower though, and leaves a longer afterglow, likely from the nmt.  It may be a tad weaker by weight for the same reason.(its so hard to tell with such vastly different trips anyway) Different batches of bark have different amounts of both alkaloids so its kind of up to chance, but it will get you to the same place for sure. 

Be careful with eyeballing doses.  The consistancy and density of the crystals very much greater than mimosa IME



Um, both mimosa and acacia contain the same kind of DMT. Therefore, the same exact chemical = the same effects

Also, acacia is basically just as easy and effective to extract, but some people have a harder time getting pure enough product because there are more fats in acacia.

There is a tek specifically for dealing with the fats in acacia. Worked for me, heres the link

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39030


I recommend reading all the different teks to really learn what you're doing and why. It helped me a great deal at least


good luck bro :vibin:




False.

You are correct that the DMT in mimosa is the same as the DMT in acacia. 50% of the alkaloids in acacia are NMT, which is a different chemical. This could account for a different consistency and altered experience.



Oh wow, I just went and checked wiki and the dmt nexus and you're totally right. How did I never read up on that part of it.

Do you know of a way to separate the two? I'm gonna do more research


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18765807 - 08/27/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
Are acacia extracts any good? I may be trading some k for some but I haven't done any deems that wasn't mimosa. If so that's pretty exciting to see the DMT production pick up again




  It seems to come on a bit slower though, and leaves a longer afterglow, likely from the nmt.  It may be a tad weaker by weight for the same reason.(its so hard to tell with such vastly different trips anyway) Different batches of bark have different amounts of both alkaloids so its kind of up to chance, but it will get you to the same place for sure. 

Be careful with eyeballing doses.  The consistancy and density of the crystals very much greater than mimosa IME



Um, both mimosa and acacia contain the same kind of DMT. Therefore, the same exact chemical = the same effects

Also, acacia is basically just as easy and effective to extract, but some people have a harder time getting pure enough product because there are more fats in acacia.

There is a tek specifically for dealing with the fats in acacia. Worked for me, heres the link

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39030


I recommend reading all the different teks to really learn what you're doing and why. It helped me a great deal at least


good luck bro :vibin:




False.

You are correct that the DMT in mimosa is the same as the DMT in acacia. 50% of the alkaloids in acacia are NMT, which is a different chemical. This could account for a different consistency and altered experience.



Oh wow, I just went and checked wiki and the dmt nexus and you're totally right. How did I never read up on that part of it.

Do you know of a way to separate the two? I'm gonna do more research




Heptane as your solvent is good at isolating DMT I believe.


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Re: Acacia defat. [Re: ressa69]
    #18765858 - 08/27/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Have you seen a tek anywhere that uses that?

I read a lot of them and don't remember seeing it mentioned. It's just a little confusing. It would be very reassuring :grin:


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