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sonamdrukpa
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KingKnowledge said: Dissociatives do not provide the insight that psychedelics do. Same goes for PCP and Amantia.
Never done dissociatives, I take it?
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#18773618 - 08/29/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is an ageless debate.
I think the truest psychedelics are in the ilk of psilocybin, mescaline, DMT and LSD. As they all work by the same tripping rules in spite of the differences in duration and effects.
Dissociatives are psychedelic enough for a case to be made but very few if any are safe enough for this forum. That is not to say they are unsafe, just not safe enough. Ketamine can kill an asthmatic, and does not mix well with many other substances. DXM has a very high probability for allergic reaction especially over repeated use.
Not dissociatives but MDA and MDMA are left off the list because of potential impurities which make dosage advice impractical. That and they are not psychadelic enough. LSD comes with the same risk, but nobody doubts it is a psychedelic so it stays. Fake LSD is getting problematic though. It would be a shame to drop LSD from the list because of bitter blotter taking over.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Rose]
#18774009 - 08/29/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Use the notify Mod button and you will help us.
What notify Mod button??? Where??? I've been a member since 2009 and have never noticed or stumbled upon it.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Nature Boy]
#18774149 - 08/29/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is shaped like a whistle at the bottom of each post. Click the whistle on the offending post and describe the problem. We will look into it.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Rose]
#18774331 - 08/29/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Huh!!! How do you like that! Features I never before knew existed. Thanks...that'll save me some time. I've always directly PM'd mods because I had no knowledge of the more subtle features worked into this forum.
Thank you, sir!!
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#18774353 - 08/29/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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KingKnowledge said: Dissociatives do not provide the insight that psychedelics do. Same goes for PCP and Amantia.
Never done dissociatives, I take it?
I have. And IME they do not compare to the landscape created by LSD and mushrooms.
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JacksonMetaller
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JacksonMetaller said: I'm not for moving salvia to the ODD, but OP has a point that our logic is entirely inconsistent. 2c-b and ketamine belong on this forum by that logic
Moving salvia too ODD would be stupid though because dosage advice is more likely to be helpful than detrimental with this particular drug. Same with the ones I mentioned
Ketamine is NOT a psychedelic. Dissociatives do not provide the insight that psychedelics do. Same goes for PCP and Amantia.
Um what? Ever k-holed? Please do so and tell me it's not a mind busting cosmic experience. Some on the odd even claim it goes much deeper than any trip on serotogenic psychedelic drugs
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KingKnowledge said: Dissociatives do not provide the insight that psychedelics do. Same goes for PCP and Amantia.
Never done dissociatives, I take it?
I have. And IME they do not compare to the landscape created by LSD and mushrooms.
Take more. Dissociatives are "I feel drunk. I feel really drunk. Holy shit I've got the spins. I'm way too fucked up this isn't fun." Then an hour later "Dafuq... I went from being to drunk to my mom is a caterpillar and I'm riding her back through extra dimensional space doing drugs but now I've discovered the true meaning of love in this space."
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psychedelics teach me about modern life, and living in this world with everyone else.
the other hallucinogens take me to outerspace/void/chaos where i learn about non-complex ancient life, and i will sometimes stumble upon artifacts of consciousness and a sense of infinite potential of the shadow world.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
#18774536 - 08/29/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I meant to reply to JM.
Doesn't make K a psychedelic.
Hallucination is common in many non psychedelic substances. So is getting your mind fucked.
The word psychedelic is confusing because it is commonly used as a synonym for hallucinogen.
All bourbon is whiskey but not all whiskey is bourbon. Ya' know?
The term psychadelic distinguishes from deriliants and dissociatives, which are also hallucinogens. That is not a big deal for most people but on a forum such as this, the point is often important enough to make.
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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Rose]
#18774648 - 08/29/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I know what psychedelic means. Along the lines of "mind-manifesting" and many dissociative fanatics will argue that hole experiences are equally if not more psychedelic than the classics. Talk to Wiccan or Tymoteus. Their descriptions of the hole are intensely spiritual.
Anyways I'm not really making the argument that we should allow them. You and me have been over this and I understand your view. What I was saying is that I agree with the OP based on the Mods logic that salvia shouldn't be here (though I PERDONALLY disagree) by pointing out the inconsistancies in our decision to include salvia and not ketamine
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Frankly, it may pass the test when we look again.
I dare say it is close to the top of the list if we ever add anything.
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JacksonMetaller said: No I know what psychedelic means. Along the lines of "mind-manifesting" and many dissociative fanatics will argue that hole experiences are equally if not more psychedelic than the classics. Talk to Wiccan or Tymoteus. Their descriptions of the hole are intensely spiritual.
Anyways I'm not really making the argument that we should allow them. You and me have been over this and I understand your view. What I was saying is that I agree with the OP based on the Mods logic that salvia shouldn't be here (though I PERDONALLY disagree) by pointing out the inconsistancies in our decision to include salvia and not ketamine
Everyone has their own opinions, of course. As we see by the very nature of this topic I find dissociatives not as deep as LSD/Shrooms, but thats jsut me.
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