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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766535 - 08/27/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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it makes me wonder what kind of trips you guys are having? :confused:




Ha not as blissful sounding as yours I can assure you! Trapped as a metal cog for all eternity I believe my last one was about 7 years ago! Vial is still in the freezer!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
    #18766572 - 08/27/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You don't need to store salvia in the freezer.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: nooneman]
    #18766594 - 08/27/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't need to store salvia in the freezer.




Well, you don't NEED to. :wink:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766621 - 08/27/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP obviously doesnt know how to do salvia :P

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Delarge said:

shrooms, dmt, and acid give way different visuals, and a light that is a sort of teacher.





Are you saying salvia is not a teacher? Cuz thems are fightin words.

It sounds like somebody needs to do more salvia.  if the trips are dark thats kind of on you, because she shows you yourself.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: SalviaGod]
    #18766634 - 08/27/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

dude. salvia is like the female teacher of sex and death and power. and non-duality.
i feel like other people in this thread have not done strong enough extracts or maybe just not smoked enough...



or smoked too much :p

and traditional psychs are like the male teacher of love and wisdom and happiness and compassion and logic and order.
and duality.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18766639 - 08/27/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, you don't NEED to.




Ha exactly! I keep everything in the freezer tbh! Though I did wonder if this actually helps to retain potency in any way whatsoever!

Considering I never use salvia, I might as well store it in the bin really!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766646 - 08/27/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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dude. salvia is like the female teacher of sex and death and power. and non-duality.
i feel like other people in this thread have not done strong enough extracts or maybe just not smoked enough...



or smoked too much :p

and traditional psychs are like the male teacher of love and wisdom and happiness and compassion and logic and order.
and duality.




WOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH dude.  Hold up with your psychedelic gender norms.  Ayahuasca, for one, is definitely female.

And I definitely think there are some transgender psychs out there.  2c-p, for instance.

Edit: I actually made a poll about this a while back:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16869266


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766657 - 08/27/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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dude. salvia is like the female teacher of sex and death and power. and non-duality.
i feel like other people in this thread have not done strong enough extracts or maybe just not smoked enough...



or smoked too much :p

and traditional psychs are like the male teacher of love and wisdom and happiness and compassion and logic and order.
and duality.




Hang on dude if saliva is the female and traditional psychs the male, how come you trying to exile the bitch to ODD :grin: ? Like sending Eve out of the garden of Adam!

Now if Salvia was a Panda I could maybe see your point!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18766658 - 08/27/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

but ayahuasca has a bunch of other plants included in different brews, sometimes including datura.



im not trying to EXILE salvia.
i just think its very odd that we would put it with all the traditional psychs.
when its much closer to a datura experience than a shroom one.

maybe we should get a sub forum on here for other hallucinogens like deliriants and dissacioatives..
and then keep stuff like heroin, crystal, and those types of drugs in ODD.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766674 - 08/27/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP, it is not about high extracts AT ALL. If anything they ruin it. Like i said, she shows you yourself, so if you are getting sex, death, and power trips, thats a you thing.

She can be just as loving and wise as any of the others. But she doesnt react well to any disrespect or resistance. If you really wanna know what shes all about...  Stop, Drop, and Listen.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: SalviaGod]
    #18766688 - 08/28/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

im not saying she is bad, she just took my "clothes" and i went back to the source of power,
back in time, to a backwards land, to the beginning of the universe, to the shadow self, to a place only filled with mirrors, to the non dual realm, to the non complex plant life consciousness.


i went into my experiences with open arms, and the hippie mentality, looking to accept ANYTHING she gave me.

and she took me to hell where i became a powerful god.

im not saying its good or bad,
i just think it goes against the way we usually choose to use other psychedelics.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766696 - 08/28/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And how do you usually choose to use other psychedelics ?


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: SalviaGod]
    #18766709 - 08/28/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

psychedelics make you small, so you can enjoy the depths of being you, and knowing who you are and how you fit into this world. they open your eyes to all the details of every experience. and they connect you to the higher self(god)

salvia makes you large so you can enjoy the depths of being everyone and everything, like when noah built an ark to survive the flood. salvia floods the entire world and destroys everything but what you hold on to. and you become that higher self (god)

also all the other analogies i used in my previous posts.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766719 - 08/28/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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im not trying to EXILE salvia.




Yeah I was just kidding dude! :thumbup:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
    #18766720 - 08/28/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

its hard to tell when thats a lot of other peoples honest opinion on here...

:tongue:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766736 - 08/28/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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psychedelics make you small, so you can enjoy the depths of being you, and knowing who you are and how you fit into this world. they open your eyes to all the details of every experience. and they connect you to the higher self(god)

salvia makes you large so you can enjoy the depths of being everyone and everything, like when noah built an ark to survive the flood. salvia floods the entire world and destroys everything but what you hold on to. and you become that higher self (god)

also all the other analogies i used in my previous posts.




Its just trying to get you to appreciate things from a different point of view, i get what youre saying about it being the opposite, but its just two sides of the same coin.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766788 - 08/28/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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maybe we should get a sub forum on here for other hallucinogens like deliriants and dissacioatives..
and then keep stuff like heroin, crystal, and those types of drugs in ODD.




Yep I think so too! But still wouldn't agree with putting Salvia in with them. Dissociatives are also anesthetics and there's no way I'd go under the knife after a bowl of sally D!

If anything I believe owing to the special unique nature of Salvia it deserves to be all alone in its own little sub forum! I mean you are right, nothing else is like it, and I don't really consider it psychedelic either!

The only thing I ever found remotely like Salvia was actually solvents (did them when I was like 13)! Very short lived fucked up dreams that take you away in a dissociative manner that can at the same time be very easy to snap out of with physical distraction!

You could hardly though put Salvia in a solvent category could you? I think the decision takes into account a number of factors with the physical effects being just as important as the mental effects, and the fact that it isn't a toxic chemical or addictive also being very important!

Probably best where it is here in the psychedelic forum to be honest with its weird half uncle status!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: SalviaGod]
    #18766796 - 08/28/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I agree I'm not really into salvia. I mean... everytime I do it, on the comedown I'm like "why the hell do I keep doing this?" I don't like the weird buzzy/skin peeling off body high and the one time I broke through, which was my 2nd time trying salvia, 20x... was really :mindblown: and towards the end I started to feel like I had went insane and was never coming back/ stuck in the timeless loop. Was pretty scary but WOW i felt amazing after I had come back. Like a new person was really great. I think the best thing about my Salvia trips is when I come back honestly.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
    #18766805 - 08/28/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

to me its the most like datura, just the DMT version of it.



and yeah i think its a destruction plant, or it has the properties of FIRE!

and you can steal the fires of the god like prometheus.

you don't really have a legitimate human consciousness on it,
but you can bring back treasures from the depths of the underworld.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766936 - 08/28/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I personally would call salvia a dissociative deliriant before calling it a psychedlic. But I don't think it should be moved from this forum, it fits well.


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