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High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again?
    #18765110 - 08/27/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have had 20 or so LSD experiences over the past year since I discovered the substance, and until last night I had been chasing a cycle of tolerance resulting in what had become a very predictable new hobby of planning interesting little things to do around my every-three-weeks-or-so dose.

I recently had other issues to attend to and let my hobby go to the back burner for a full 6 weeks.

I had come to consider myself a pretty experienced LSD user, and I decided to go for 6 tabs (600ug) (which I had done before several times) in the safety of my room. My plan was to listen to new music, enjoy some CEVs, play with strobe lights and mirrors in a dark room and such like I usually do. It never occurred to me that the extended break from the acid would cause me to have a trip so strong that it eclipsed even my most intense past experience to such a degree that--had I not known otherwise--I would have assumed that this was a different drug altogether (it wasn't by the way--it was the final remaining 6 tabs of the same batch I've been using). With only a "level 3" under my belt up until now, I tripped such balls that it was beyond any trip reports I've read, any of my wildest dreams, and the bounds of what I thought was within the realm of experience for a human brain. Among many other things, I saw my own body and face (from my unchanged point of view) stretched out yards across and twisted along with the rest of the environment, I saw little bug-sized workers meticulously "building" every "frame" of reality before filming it one microsecond at a time, I saw my walls change to bars and my room become some kind of infinite stairwell,  I changed sizes from microscopic to towering and back again, and for a while I lost all visual contact with reality and instead saw these abstract vector graphics on a black background even though my eyes were wide open, which was quite disconcerting.

And now not 8 hours later, I am filled with grief. I'm surrounded by sketches, notes, and audio recordings in which I've tried desperately to describe and record the twisted and grotesque reality I had been transported to in as much detail as I could because I knew even then that it would become ever more impossible to convey in mere words.

Even as I experienced the impossible things and unfathomable scenes that made up the peak of my trip, I frantically tried to soak in, memorize and comment on everything I saw, somehow knowing that as I came down it would become more and more impossible to remember, comprehend and visualize it all.

And sure enough, I am already left with an unsatisfactory recollection of the contents of my trip.

And I'm left to wonder: if you embark on multiple high-level trips with the same substance, do you tend to or can you experience similar things? And similarly, would a desire to do so influence the trip in that direction?

Anyway in the future I'm DEFINITELY going to take to heart the moral of this story and be more patient waiting for tolerance to rebuild between trips. I can't believe I burned through all that acid with those middling experiences.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: richardj]
    #18765131 - 08/27/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I do high level trips every once in a while. They are not to be done too often. I think you can learn more if you become more experienced with the high level trips.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: Labs4858]
    #18765145 - 08/27/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I find natural substances give me "realer" and longer lasting insight. And my heavyy mushrooms trips are usually connected to each other in a weird way.

You can, and likely will, experience the same things the more you trip. It might be slightly different, but you can re-visit things for sure. And the more times you do it, the more you remember, the better you understand, and the more you learn!

It's a very good practice to write down some thoughts from the fry. especially revelations, or incredible insight.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: Labs4858]
    #18765150 - 08/27/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This most reminds me a lot of myself. I was eating high quality acid all summer long, dosing at least once a week, if not twice. I built my tolerance up to where I could eat 600 ugs, and still act pretty coherent when chatting or texting people.
It was a lot of fun, and I could afford it. 
I took about a ten day break recently, because I was busy doing other things.
I ate 3 hits after that break and it was just as strong as my 6 hit trip!
It really put it into perspective for me.. I was wasting a lot of acid..
I think I'm going to keep my trips down to a week minimum, if not more. I'll probably get a chance to take a real good break soon now that summer is ending, so i'm excited to see how this will turn out. 

I personally love the tolerance that acid gives you, because you can eat a bunch, and have fucking mind blowing times, while still holding your shit together - but a good break lets your tolerance go down back to where you can get your ass kicked real easily, and that's a ton of fun. :smile:


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: MrHill]
    #18765171 - 08/27/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

damn dude. I used to be wanting to fry like all the time like that. Not anymore though, my brain can't take it lately.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: MrHill]
    #18765173 - 08/27/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Take a lesson from the tibetan mandala. they spend days working on an intricate and beautiful piece of art work only to wipe it away forever with no trace or record of it, only the memory. although your memory of the events will fade, the wonder of it all will stay with you for awhile. ive found that the best thing to do during the peak is to just let it soak in, dont try to do anything, just let it happen and become the moment. the best time for any kind of thought, reflective or otherwise is about an hour, maybe two after the come down. a strong trip like that will fill you with a sense of sorrow because you just had your ass handed to you on a silver platter, it hurts your pride a little, but take that and be humbled by it. understand that lucy is a loving mistress, but she shows her love in strange ways, sometimes its very comforting, and sometimes its a very tough love.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: sailing]
    #18765190 - 08/27/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you trip too frequently on large doses you can, and probably will, end up going to the exact same place every single time.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: healing]
    #18765213 - 08/27/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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healing said:
If you trip too frequently on large doses you can, and probably will, end up going to the exact same place every single time.



I agree, I used to trip an about 4 or 5 hits every weekend, and after a month of that, it started getting darker and darker and my psyche was becoming more and more fragile as i was beginning to develop a schizophrenic state of mind. fortunately i stopped before the schizo really took a hold, and im recovering now... even now, about 9 months after my last lsd trip, and 5 months after my last 4-aco-dmt trip, i still get flashbacks, more mental, but some visual, and when your not prepared to be in that mindset, it gets dark.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: sailing]
    #18787573 - 09/01/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the input.

At the time I kinda forgot that I was tripping, and I kept thinking "is this normal? How did I never notice that this is how the world looks and works? Am I the only molecule who just wants to scream out that this can't be normal?"  Maybe if I go back prepared I can soak more of it in.

But god damn that was some weird shit.

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I personally love the tolerance that acid gives you, because you can eat a bunch, and have fucking mind blowing times, while still holding your shit together - but a good break lets your tolerance go down back to where you can get your ass kicked real easily, and that's a ton of fun. :smile:




I live in a conservative society where even being caught high is as bad as being caught with drugs, and a half gram of weed can net you decades in prison, so I REALLY have to keep these possibilities in mind in the future.

If I had made the mistake of having this trip anywhere but my house there is no way in hell I could have talked to a cop or even kept my balance for that matter.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: richardj]
    #18787624 - 09/01/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the input.

At the time I kinda forgot that I was tripping, and I kept thinking "is this normal? How did I never notice that this is how the world looks and works? Am I the only molecule who just wants to scream out that this can't be normal?"  Maybe if I go back prepared I can soak more of it in.

But god damn that was some weird shit.

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Parrott said:
I personally love the tolerance that acid gives you, because you can eat a bunch, and have fucking mind blowing times, while still holding your shit together - but a good break lets your tolerance go down back to where you can get your ass kicked real easily, and that's a ton of fun. :smile:




I live in a conservative society where even being caught high is as bad as being caught with drugs, and a half gram of weed can net you decades in prison, so I REALLY have to keep these possibilities in mind in the future.

If I had made the mistake of having this trip anywhere but my house there is no way in hell I could have talked to a cop or even kept my balance for that matter.




Where the fuck do you live? :feelsparanoidman:


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: eMpire420]
    #18787698 - 09/01/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He probably lives in Nevada or something. Like a decade ago you legitimately went to prison for a roach. I know someone who actually served a 6 year sentence for a roach...

was either Oklahoma or Arizona.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18787882 - 09/02/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, nowhere in the USA.

It's just one of those countries where 98% of the population considers pot the same as heroin (while the disgusting hypocrites love to get piss drunk all the time) and there's a notoriously corrupt justice system known for forced confessions and a laughably high conviction rate. I brought up the subject of recent legal changes in Washington and Colorado to a friend the other day and how society was progressing, and she ended up in tears saying "I didn't know you were a dangerous person like that" and irl unfriending me.

But tangents aside, the only thing I'm comfortable holding here is WoW blotter, which is one of the reasons I use so much acid (the other being I'm in love with it).

Although recently, since I can't get a visa to live in a better country, I've been renting places on Airbnb and doing some serious drug tourism in safer countries. By the end of the year I plan to have all of the major psychedelics under my belt, and then I'll settle down with few years' supply of acid and 4-aco-dmt back home.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: richardj]
    #18788139 - 09/02/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No, nowhere in the USA.

It's just one of those countries where 98% of the population considers pot the same as heroin (while the disgusting hypocrites love to get piss drunk all the time) and there's a notoriously corrupt justice system known for forced confessions and a laughably high conviction rate. I brought up the subject of recent legal changes in Washington and Colorado to a friend the other day and how society was progressing, and she ended up in tears saying "I didn't know you were a dangerous person like that" and irl unfriending me.





This sounds exactly like Japan (or somewhere in East Asia). Either way, Japan and other East Asian countries (such as Taiwan) have been known to execute people for trying to smuggle illegal substances into their territory. On top of that, I know for a fact that the vast majority of people in Japan view weed as just as bad as heroin or meth, while they continue to consume gratuitous amounts of alcohol and smoke cigs like chimneys...oh and did I mention that Japan is infamous for forced confessions and a "laughably high conviction rate"?

If that is your case, then I hope you take extreme caution and honestly I would avoid any sort of drug behavior in Japan or East Asian aside from store-bought substances and doctor-prescribed pharmaceuticals. You will either end up being deported, imprisoned, or executed and one of those three outcomes is a guarantee. I know you probably already know this, so take care my friend.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
    #18788175 - 09/02/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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richardj said:
No, nowhere in the USA.

It's just one of those countries where 98% of the population considers pot the same as heroin (while the disgusting hypocrites love to get piss drunk all the time) and there's a notoriously corrupt justice system known for forced confessions and a laughably high conviction rate. I brought up the subject of recent legal changes in Washington and Colorado to a friend the other day and how society was progressing, and she ended up in tears saying "I didn't know you were a dangerous person like that" and irl unfriending me.





This sounds exactly like Japan (or somewhere in East Asia). Either way, Japan and other East Asian countries (such as Taiwan) have been known to execute people for trying to smuggle illegal substances into their territory. On top of that, I know for a fact that the vast majority of people in Japan view weed as just as bad as heroin or meth, while they continue to consume gratuitous amounts of alcohol and smoke cigs like chimneys...oh and did I mention that Japan is infamous for forced confessions and a "laughably high conviction rate"?

If that is your case, then I hope you take extreme caution and honestly I would avoid any sort of drug behavior in Japan or East Asian aside from store-bought substances and doctor-prescribed pharmaceuticals. You will either end up being deported, imprisoned, or executed and one of those three outcomes is a guarantee. I know you probably already know this, so take care my friend.




That's some real shit. Making a puppet like that. Damn.


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: richardj]
    #18788186 - 09/02/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well there are no drug executions in this particular country, but I'd still be fucked.

I'd never risk possessing anything other than blotter, but I at least have to have my acid.

Or maybe there's some gray market where I can pay a Canadian lady to marry me for a visa :smile:


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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: richardj]
    #18788277 - 09/02/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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And I'm left to wonder: if you embark on multiple high-level trips with the same substance, do you tend to or can you experience similar things? And similarly, would a desire to do so influence the trip in that direction?




Yes and no.  Motifs often are similar, but trips unfold in completely unpredictable ways if your dosage is high enough (and/or as you say, tolerance is minimal).

My experience is with mushrooms, but when I use them daily (for writing mostly, a day job) over extended periods I can predict the peak experience fairly well based on past experience and the dosage I'm aiming for.  Potency doesn't change with a large grow, set and setting doesn't change, intention doesn't change, and as a result the trip trajectory is very familiar.  Ass kicking is still a real possibility. :lol:

Take them occasionally and without a specific agenda and all bets are off.  Trips cover the spectrum of things I thought possible, those I never thought possible or expected, and of the truly weird and mind bending that can't be described.

I have spent a lot of time in the past though invoking particular states of mind or process, and with enough determination up front this is certainly possible. Again, it's part of set and setting.  Mushrooms are useful because it's easy to appeal to their associated spirits in this work. 

This is why the standard advice to let your tolerance dissipate before venturing out in the cosmic waters again is so useful, especially if you're after novel experience.

You might want to try holding them a little less tightly, though.  You can't necessarily expect complete recall of something that's often so alien to ordinary mental process.  Much like dreams, trips will be what they want to be - they stem from areas of consciousness beyond your casual inspection.  Meditation helps a lot for gaining lasting access to these states. :thumbup:

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Re: High-level trips--easy to revisit the same concepts/spaces again? [Re: richardj]
    #18789990 - 09/02/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

and for a while I lost all visual contact with reality and instead saw these abstract vector graphics on a black background even though my eyes were wide open, which was quite disconcerting.

    i beleive i understand what you are talking about. i recently went to the bella terra festival a couple weeks ago. 3 of us split 6 or 7 hits of some phenomonal WoW. i dont know the strength but they are deffinatley at least an honest hundred mics. we were right up front for all of zach deputy set which was absolutley mindblowing. after that i saw a band called the breakfast. me and my friend were dancing right in front of the band and speakers. they played so hard, they hit every single note your ears can pickup, they hit every single emotion your nerves can feel, they hit every single color on the spectrum and then some. while this is happening i trick my self into thinking im not tripping and having it come back tenfold, in between every single note each member of the band played. i was stuck between the notes. they continued all of this until i began too start getting stuck between the lines. every single edge or line on anything in my visual field would split in half and move away from where it really was and fractals would flow on the "non existent" side of the line. all the while im dancing my ass off with my eyes wide open. now all of these things are happening at once, i finally get sucked inbetween the notes and lines so hard that all of my senses blend and mush and flow together into pure energy, once all of this slows down and forms into one concrete thing i " saw these abstract vector graphics on a black background even though my eyes were wide open". the top would be beautiful dark and bright neon green with the bottom being black and moving like a conveyor belt from the right to left at speed unfathomable. although mostly green with black background i saw most every single color on the spectrum. i started to attempt to draw it, it is now my avatar, just where it is still white would have been black. i will never get over what happened while watching that breakfast show, they are gods.
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