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Is this really true? (Raw Milk)
    #18764665 - 08/27/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, they claim raw milk is simply too dangerous to consume and by restricting its sale they are serving the public health and reducing the risk of illness....

Yet shockingly there's no evidence backing up this claim.

According to CDC data, from 1993 to 2006, only about 116 illnesses a year were linked to raw milk. That amounts to less than .000002 percent of the 76 million people who contract a food-borne illness in the United States each year!

Looking at the evidence, or rather lack thereof, it is quite clear that raw milk has been unfairly singled out and targeted by the FDA, the USDA, and even the FBI, despite the fact that it's so low on the food-borne illness risk scale it's hardly measurable.

The recent enforcement  efforts against raw milk sales is so disproportionate to the risk it poses to consumers that it defies all logic.



http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/15/the-war-over-raw-milk.aspx


You know about that statistic...raw milk is on the very fringe, isn't it?...


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18764698 - 08/27/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting.  When my grandma was a kid she lived near a woman who had dairy cows and would give her family milk.  I guess the woman would get really offended if you pasteurized the milk she gave you, claimed that it ruined the taste.

I was always told as a kid not to eat raw cookie dough because you could get salmonella from the eggs.  That never stopped me from eating tons of it, never got sick from it either :smirk:  Raw cookie dough is so good I'd be tempted to eat it even if there was a 25% risk of instant death from doing so.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18764702 - 08/27/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Feels good to drink that stuff it does.


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    #18764731 - 08/27/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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According to CDC data, from 1993 to 2006, only about 116 illnesses a year were linked to raw milk. That amounts to less than .000002 percent of the 76 million people who contract a food-borne illness in the United States each year!




This statistic is useless.  What we need to know is the percentage of people who contract a food-borne illness after drinking raw milk, or at least the ratio of raw milk illnesses to other food-related illness among those who consume raw milk.

In the U.S. we are overly sensitive to our food sanitation though.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18764864 - 08/27/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this is hella fucked up. Makes me want to get a cow.

They're totally trying to make everyone consume the weird hormones or whatever gets in there from the cows with all the weird shots.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18766099 - 08/27/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I believe it is true. Despite the unhygienic state of milk sheds I've drunk milk from the vat without pasteurizing it for months with no problems. The farmer kept insisting that I must pasteurize, never told him I drank it raw. As soon as I can afford to I'll be buying non pasteurized organic milk.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #18766118 - 08/27/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Real interesting. Thanks for your response. What was the quality of these farms? Were the cow grass fed?


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18767261 - 08/28/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Drink almond milk and problem solved.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #18767310 - 08/28/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This statistic is useless.




This.  116 illnesses per year out of how many people?  and more importantly, how does this compare to non-raw milk?  If you look up the pasteurization wiki, the CDC cites data that raw milk  is responsible for nearly three times more hospitalizations than any other foodborne disease outbreak.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: badchad]
    #18767321 - 08/28/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is because cow milk has things for baby cows to become healthy which could include hormones, bacteria, and other shit. Pasteurizing it reduces risks of getting sick and it works so its mandated. If you were born used to it, it'd be fine but the normal person drinking raw milk could probably get sick.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: badchad]
    #18767323 - 08/28/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If the cows are healthy and fed what nature intends there SHOULD be no risk.
If chickens are healthy and fed what nature intends there SHOULD be no risk.

not saying there isn't but there shouldn't. You should be able to eat raw eggs, milk and meat if it is disease free properly cared for and properly fed. Not saying you should go eat these things raw but you should be able to with no medical side effects. Our bodies are built for it but we've started to condition them against it the past couple hundred years.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: nuentoter]
    #18767470 - 08/28/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

fun fact: salmonella from eggs is not in the egg itself but coated along the shell.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18771567 - 08/29/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This is because cow milk has things for baby cows to become healthy which could include hormones, bacteria, and other shit. Pasteurizing it reduces risks of getting sick and it works so its mandated. If you were born used to it, it'd be fine but the normal person drinking raw milk could probably get sick.




Bullshit. Pasteurizing milk kills the nutrition and makes it unhealthy. Fresh raw milk from grass fed cows simply does not make any healthy person sick.


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Real interesting. Thanks for your response. What was the quality of these farms? Were the cow grass fed?




Grass fed cows. Farm pretty run down and there was a big problem with mastitis.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18795757 - 09/03/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Drink almond milk and problem solved.




Funnily enough, they started to pasteurize almonds. Google it. Almonds are one of few plant products that are pasteurized. Also, good quality dairy has nutrients that almonds will never have and tastes a lot better.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18797754 - 09/04/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.realmilk.com/

Lot's of really good data and sources.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Shroomism]
    #18798285 - 09/04/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Indians (from India) Recommend boiling raw milk first before consuming it in the ancient healing systems. Claimed it was better for digestion. :shrug:


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18798440 - 09/04/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You didn't post a source.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18798629 - 09/04/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You didn't post a source.



I dont need a source....my word is stronger than Oak :morningtoke:


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18798739 - 09/04/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would drink raw milk from grass fed cows, given the chance.

That store brand milk is just bad, its not natural anymore.  Those poor cows are absolutely pumped with hormones and anti-biotics.


Only thing is, I can't drink milk :bigblunt:


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Herbologist]
    #18798973 - 09/04/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That store brand milk is just bad, its not natural anymore.  Those poor cows are absolutely pumped with hormones and anti-biotics.




This. I am more fearful of the hormones and antibiotics these animals are fed with. But, to eat organic you either have to be:
1) A farmer
2) Rich

On topic: I would drink raw milk. It has its risks and benefits.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: BlackWidow]
    #18799365 - 09/04/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

That store brand milk is just bad, its not natural anymore.  Those poor cows are absolutely pumped with hormones and anti-biotics.



2) Rich





This is a common thought among people who don't buy organic.


Organic is really NOT that expensive..  Look at it in the long run, these products are much better for you, less ingredients, less everything.  This poses as a health benefit down the road.  Medical expenses are always going to be much bigger then food prices.

What is the extra 1-5 dollars for something that is REAL or at least as close as it gets?

It really bugs me when people steer away from Farmers Markets for this reason.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Herbologist]
    #18799402 - 09/04/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can adapt a high quality (I prefer that term over the USDA standard, organic) diet to your budget. One example would be by replacing certain things in your diet with high quality* whey protein. Whey is cheap. a 70 dollar bag will last you at least a week. That's 10 dollars a day. Get some beef tallow and mix them into the whey and that's just has filling as a nice juicy steak! You're assembling a meal with bulk ingredients and saving a lot of money by doing so. Take a look that product description of the whey product below. You can get beef tallow at cattle farms; even mail order. Grass fed cows, of course.


*http://www.bulletproofexec.com/upgraded-whey/


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18799454 - 09/04/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

People are scrubs who scream IM NOT RICH ENOUGH when it comes to organic food. Bullcrap.....quit buying beer...weed or a weekend movie and you can easily afford it. At times the difference is so minimal


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18799847 - 09/04/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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People are scrubs who scream IM NOT RICH ENOUGH when it comes to organic food. Bullcrap.....quit buying beer...weed or a weekend movie and you can easily afford it. At times the difference is so minimal



I don't buy weed, cigs, beer, etc. Organic is expensive and very hard to find in my area.

I do like going to farmers markets, but a lot of the sellers will openly admit that they are not organic.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18800704 - 09/04/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You can adapt a high quality (I prefer that term over the USDA standard, organic) diet to your budget. One example would be by replacing certain things in your diet with high quality* whey protein. Whey is cheap. a 70 dollar bag will last you at least a week. That's 10 dollars a day. Get some beef tallow and mix them into the whey and that's just has filling as a nice juicy steak! You're assembling a meal with bulk ingredients and saving a lot of money by doing so. Take a look that product description of the whey product below. You can get beef tallow at cattle farms; even mail order. Grass fed cows, of course.


*http://www.bulletproofexec.com/upgraded-whey/




Sorry sounds gross. Gimme a steak.

Where I'm from carrots are cheaper than chips and oranges are cheaper than candy bars.
Ammo andf hunting license are cheap, so is helping a local farmer in trade.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: nuentoter]
    #18801195 - 09/04/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Organic is more expensive and just a gimmick these days. The FDA has very lenient guidelines when it comes to certifying something organic.

:themoreyouknow:

You want something that is truly organic and cheap?
Grow it yourself, you might learn something and get in shape :thumbup:


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: unknown1123]
    #18802733 - 09/05/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Organic is more expensive and just a gimmick these days. The FDA has very lenient guidelines when it comes to certifying something organic.

:themoreyouknow:

You want something that is truly organic and cheap?
Grow it yourself, you might learn something and get in shape :thumbup:




Its only a gimmick if you follow what the FDA has layed out for you.

I don't buy organic products just because the FDA say's it is.  You have to look into the actual brand/supplier and go from there.. That's how you steer away from "gimmicks"

Growing your own is definitely the cheapest, safest and healthiest way though.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18805200 - 09/05/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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People are scrubs who scream IM NOT RICH ENOUGH when it comes to organic food. Bullcrap.....quit buying beer...weed or a weekend movie and you can easily afford it. At times the difference is so minimal



Quit spending their money the way they choose to spend it?

The stereotype you're addressing obviously wants the beer/weed/movies more than the organic food. Not everyone perceives pesticides in their food as a threat (but i do)





Besides, the term organic isn't what should matter. I just eat healthily and leave it at that :shrug:


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Herbologist]
    #18805917 - 09/06/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:wink: grow yor own


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    #18813728 - 09/08/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I drink raw goat milk every day, never been sick from it. it tastes a thousand times better than any other nasty goat milk. there's only one company allowed to sell it on the shelves in Oregon.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18815793 - 09/08/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You can adapt a high quality (I prefer that term over the USDA standard, organic) diet to your budget. One example would be by replacing certain things in your diet with high quality* whey protein. Whey is cheap. a 70 dollar bag will last you at least a week. That's 10 dollars a day. Get some beef tallow and mix them into the whey and that's just has filling as a nice juicy steak! You're assembling a meal with bulk ingredients and saving a lot of money by doing so. Take a look that product description of the whey product below. You can get beef tallow at cattle farms; even mail order. Grass fed cows, of course.


*http://www.bulletproofexec.com/upgraded-whey/




Um no. Eating real food is infinitely better for you than eating powder food. Whey is something you only use if you're starving, have exceeded ur daily calories for the day, or if you need immediate nourishment and muscle repair


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Crystal G]
    #18816013 - 09/08/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, there's no difference despite what you might want to think. Food is food. And good quality whey is incredibly nutritious, it just don't have the same amount of fat that meat does.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: s240779]
    #18816566 - 09/08/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually, there's no difference despite what you might want to think. Food is food. And good quality whey is incredibly nutritious, it just don't have the same amount of fat that meat does.




As a hunter/gatherer/ grower ummm no, I will argue till I die the importance of the direct connection to where your food comes frm and how close to how nature intend as possible. Food is not food, a bigmac is not whey powder is not walmart steak is not venison.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: nuentoter]
    #18833046 - 09/12/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have been getting raw milk over the summer and first off it tastes FANTASTIC. Leaps and bounds better than pasteurized. Also I've read a lot of reports on the health benefits of it.


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Re: Is this really true? (Raw Milk) [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18836869 - 09/13/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Besides, the term organic isn't what should matter. I just eat healthily and leave it at that :shrug:









The term organic is a necessity in this day and age.  100's of years ago? Everything was organic, thats just how it was.  What food wasn't organic? So nothing was labeled as so.

We have so many processed foods and food that wasn't put together naturally, that people WANT to see the term organic because it states a type of quality they are typically looking for.


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