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Re: Winding down. [Re: Icelander]
    #18763103 - 08/27/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



"the map is not the territory" can be a really difficult thing for humans to realize. In my experience there is so much identifying and clinging to our ego and maps, stories, and legends its hard to awaken to the dream-like nature of our mind and realize deeper spiritual truths and resonances.


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Re: Winding down. [Re: NastyDHL]
    #18763478 - 08/27/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Winding down. [Re: NastyDHL]
    #18763782 - 08/27/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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NastyDHL said:
"the map is not the territory" can be a really difficult thing for humans to realize. In my experience there is so much identifying and clinging to our ego and maps, stories, and legends its hard to awaken to the dream-like nature of our mind and realize deeper spiritual truths and resonances.




yeah, we are what we are seeking, so we have to go beyond idols, stories, maps... and realize directly who we are
like climbing a mountain where no footpath can take you all the way to the peak, you have to make the last bit of the way yourself

all these things appear to us and appear to guide us one way or another, some things guide us to become more lost in things, some things guide us to reflect on ourselves
it's like we are dreaming and things keep popping up to remind you that you are dreaming, but some things lead you into dreaming more

it's great that things appear in our dream to make us question reality, but when they appear to give us glimpses of an infinitely blissfull reality it's easy to forget they are still part of the dream

but its not about seeing all this as a dream or seeing your mind as a dream unless that comes easy to you, really it's just about awakening to yourself
so you don't look at anything as a dream, you just look to yourself, who does everything appear for? who am i?


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Re: Winding down. [Re: Icelander]
    #18768899 - 08/28/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It's pretty clear now, to me at least, that whatever is going on is way beyond comprehension.

There has been so many posts over my years here with people giving their best guess on the meaning of it.  None of them seem to see things exactly the same way all the time. This is a pretty good indication imo that no one really knows. 

Now personally I don't have a problem with best guessing as long as we are aware that's what we are doing.  It seems though that that is very hard for many to accept.  It's quite important to know for sure it seems.  But personally I think we'd all get on a lot better if we didn't go that route and I think our explorations would be furthered if we weren't trying to be sure.  Just exploring things and sharing without any attempts to convince others we are correct.  I think things like science and technology would progress a lot faster if each researcher could see this and let go of the ego trip (imo) of being right.  It's slowed human progress on all levels down to a crawl.

My 2 cents as things are winding down.




I'm winding down too. Took 2 weeks off and it took over a week to relax out of work related habits. A few years back it would have taken a day or less. Give it more time and it will take longer. Why spend a lifetime entrenching just to then try and relax it away before death? That's what I have been pondering.

More to your post and less to the title, I left my scholastic career in the dust once I saw it for what it really is: a battle to find some solid ground, something sure and certain to trust in. It strikes me now how silly that endeavor is and even sillier how it really is a battle.


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


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Re: Winding down. [Re: Kickle]
    #18769491 - 08/28/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What an awesome thread.

We must be in a vulnerable open minded state all the time in order to inform ourselves moment to moment. This is the only way. The only real right attitude to life is sheer humility in the face of the sheer mystery.

I thought for a long time it was not really a mystery but I could make it one, this is not true, it is truly a living mystery and it takes a little understanding of your own nervous system to get this.

Every moment is a whole new experience. A whole new experience... The thing is alive.

The one thing that is real is not realisable. We can talk about the Self a lot but it is only through stopping what you're already doing that it shines, it is not attained, merely it is what is true if you just stop being so intense about it all.

Reality is just reality. It cannot be any other way. But what sort of circumstance do we find ourselves in? This is not to doubt we are the Self, this is just to inquire what it has done to itself, what this reality is.

And it's best to proceed your investigations from the POV of ecstasy and happiness and the Self, as this will co-create a better picture for you of reality.


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My shield...
My armour...

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