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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Patlal]
#18767877 - 08/28/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The one thing I never understood about oil. Canada could easily suupply the entire US oil demand for decades, which would give time for the US to develop it's own production. I have no idea why it hasn't been done yet and I wonder why the US still buys its oil from everywhere else. Obama refuses to build the Keystone pipeline, why???
They intend to leave the oil in canada for last . As stated above the oil price is the only thing keeping the $ afloat , use the rest of the worlds oil cause a demand keeping the price high and the dollar stable
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Patlal] 1
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Patlal said: The one thing I never understood about oil. Canada could easily suupply the entire US oil demand for decades, which would give time for the US to develop it's own production. I have no idea why it hasn't been done yet and I wonder why the US still buys its oil from everywhere else. Obama refuses to build the Keystone pipeline, why???
Tar sands are very high cost oil production and a environmental hazard, massive amounts of water are needed to extract the oil. Tar sand producers really need $120 plus oil, if not higher.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: mandrax360] 1
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Prisoner#1 said: I dont trust either side, what I do trust is that we need to mind our own fucking business because it's shit like this that leads to shit like 9/11
Huh, are you saying we should bend to the will of terrorists? Oh, pris. 
are you saying we should jump right in and fight?
I guess you must support wars such as afghanistan and iraq
or do you only support wars that obama gets us into
I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
maybe you're unaware of the fact that clinton continued bombing iraq through the 90s, yeah... the media didnt tell you that did they, they didnt tell you that the 1998 strike that clinton executed was also under the premise of WMDs inside the borders either did they
exactly what should the timing have been? are you saying you didnt support it because a republican actually decided to put an end to it after trying to negotiate with saddam first after he halted the clinton bombing raids
if the fuckers in the middle east wipe each other out then we can stroll in and take the oil, it's a great plan and it doesnt involve us in yet another war that you liberals seem so keen on
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: ilike_trees]
#18767906 - 08/28/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The problem is, the longer the Syrian conflict goes on, the higher the oil prices become. Just this morning crude oil was selling for 112$ per barrel compared to 108$ last month and 101$ three months ago. That's a 10% increase. Their crisis affects our wallets whether we go or not.
Soon the USA will be the biggest oil producer thanks to bakken oil in North Dakota!!!
That's US financial media propoganda, what is the cost of production for that oil? In many cases, it's $100 per barrel.
Believe it or not, the American government doesn't give a shit about the price of oil. At least not in lowering it. The price of oil is the only thing keeping the American Dollar afloat. If the price of oil drops or the American Dollar is no longer the currency used to valuate the price of crude oil, then the dollar is suddenly on par with the Lyra and the Peso. Because you see since the gold standard was destroyed, the International trading committees had to install a new way to valuate world currency based on the dollar. That new installation is OPEC oil. The American government will go to any lengths necessary to ensure that doesn't happen.
This all stems from Syria threatening to take its oil and sell it to China and Russia instead of America. With such high stakes, it's impossible to know which side to believe.
"The price of oil is the only thing keeping the American dollar afloat."
No, the mandate that all oil transactions are done in US dollars is what gives the dollar status, lower prices do not matter, remember 2008? Oil want from $148 to $35, the dollar survived just fine.
Syria is non player in the oil producer world, everyone acknowledges this fact.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18767920 - 08/28/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Huh, are you saying we should bend to the will of terrorists? Oh, pris. 
are you saying we should jump right in and fight?
I guess you must support wars such as afghanistan and iraq
or do you only support wars that obama gets us into
for the 3rd time... other than.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Niffla]
#18767955 - 08/28/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Niffla]
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Patlal] 1
#18767980 - 08/28/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: It's about time cause shit has been going on for too long but there's are many problems to think about.
#1: Syria vows to use any means possible (chemical weapons, etc) breaking every every rules of war established by the Geneva convention
The idea that there are "rules of war" is hilarious to me. Like the bombs that we'll be blowing up schools and hospitals with are any better than chemical weapons. Let's go invade Syria to ensure that people are killed with the right sort of weapon!
I've said it before and I'll say it again: war is not an answer at all. It's one of the main problems that we as a species need to figure out how to solve. Thousands of years of wars to fix problems have brought us nothing but more wars; more government-sanctioned mass murder.
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It truly saddens me to hear this sort of rhetoric from you, BlindSophist... because it's the sort generally reserved for tea-party conservatives. I really expected better from you than to parrot the same lame justifications for war the media's been giving since god knows how long. There will be no defense of liberty and democracy. The only thing that we'll bring is a different color uniform and better weapons to massacre people with.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: NetDiver]
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Prisoner#1 said: I dont trust either side, what I do trust is that we need to mind our own fucking business because it's shit like this that leads to shit like 9/11
Huh, are you saying we should bend to the will of terrorists? Oh, pris. 
are you saying we should jump right in and fight?
I guess you must support wars such as afghanistan and iraq
or do you only support wars that obama gets us into
Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
It is crucial. But, and I dont want to start a debate on these, your intervention's in Iraq and afghanistan have not stabilised the country, and surely wont in the long run ...and those states would argue their ability to choose their government, through ballots or guns, was taken by the states and had one form of government imposed on it to replace another. As for their liberty...yeeaaahhh I'll accept that point
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Patlal] 1
#18768061 - 08/28/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look at what's happening in Iraq. If you think a regime change anywhere in the Middle East is going to fix anything you are kidding yourself. Those people are fucking savages, we can't fix that with bombs...
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Prisoner#1 said: I dont trust either side, what I do trust is that we need to mind our own fucking business because it's shit like this that leads to shit like 9/11
Huh, are you saying we should bend to the will of terrorists? Oh, pris. 
are you saying we should jump right in and fight?
I guess you must support wars such as afghanistan and iraq
or do you only support wars that obama gets us into
I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
"Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests."
That's one of the problems, why should our economic interests be tied to oil producing nations 5000 away from us? They shouldn't, and whos economic interest is it? The worlds elite.
Since when is invading a country without any clear mission adding "stability" to the region? Most rational people would call it instability.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: qman] 6
#18768120 - 08/28/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
"Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests."
That's one of the problems, why should our economic interests be tied to oil producing nations 5000 away from us? They shouldn't, and whos economic interest is it? The worlds elite.
Since when is invading a country without any clear mission adding "stability" to the region? Most rational people would call it instability.
Yeah, remember that time that the US invaded a country and left it in better shape than it was before?
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: KremrBigSikter] 1
#18768131 - 08/28/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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IMO the US (or US allies) are behind the chemical attacks in Syria. The US has held an interest in destabilizing local conflicts since before WWII and this chemical attack bullshit is just some elaborate plan to get on with their fascist geopolitical agenda in the middle east.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: KremrBigSikter] 2
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I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
"Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests."
That's one of the problems, why should our economic interests be tied to oil producing nations 5000 away from us? They shouldn't, and whos economic interest is it? The worlds elite.
Since when is invading a country without any clear mission adding "stability" to the region? Most rational people would call it instability.
Yeah, remember that time that the US invaded a country and left it in better shape than it was before?
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Prisoner#1 said: I dont trust either side, what I do trust is that we need to mind our own fucking business because it's shit like this that leads to shit like 9/11
Huh, are you saying we should bend to the will of terrorists? Oh, pris. 
are you saying we should jump right in and fight?
I guess you must support wars such as afghanistan and iraq
or do you only support wars that obama gets us into
I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
So would you be willing to go over there & fight?
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: fapjack] 1
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fapjack said: Look at what's happening in Iraq. If you think a regime change anywhere in the Middle East is going to fix anything you are kidding yourself. Those people are fucking savages, we can't fix that with bombs...
What about with LSD and psilocibin?
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Dark_Star]
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I dont trust either side, what I do trust is that we need to mind our own fucking business because it's shit like this that leads to shit like 9/11
Huh, are you saying we should bend to the will of terrorists? Oh, pris. 
are you saying we should jump right in and fight?
I guess you must support wars such as afghanistan and iraq
or do you only support wars that obama gets us into
I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
So would you be willing to go over there & fight?
The answer for her would be no, like most people that follow her ideology, they live in theoretical land.
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