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Philosophical content of Heroin?
    #18761382 - 08/26/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just wondering what the deal is with heroin and philosophical content. My drug use in the past (practically everything except opiates) have led me to many insights and ideas and realizations about life and myself etc.

In music I have heard many songs about it, many songs written from the perspective of a (musically talented) addict and am wondering if anyone here who has had experience with the drug has anything to say about it.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: lolwut]
    #18761562 - 08/26/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The first time I got really high on opiates (pills) I was listening to some pop music and I really fellllllt the singer lol. That's just my happy opiate moment. I may have been influenced by people who actually shoot up cos their happy moment is where "anything is possible."

Recently I've been on some opiates (I don't fuck around cos I'm off now, went through a shitty withdrawal) and I just loved to nod off, being in my own world, feeling my own feelings. At first I would be like, damn it's 10pm and I"m off on a fucking race track. Then I'm off. It's a selfish drug. I listen to music. I nod a bit.

It all flows in a dream state. Catch whatever you can, if you can.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: handwaveee]
    #18761572 - 08/26/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

no. really you are just fucking high on opiates. It's the shit!


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: handwaveee] * 3
    #18762197 - 08/27/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've had the (mis)fortune of having become deeply acquainted with heroin in the past.  All I will say is that any experience that is so significant in making an impact upon one's psyche, brain and body will lead to a new, or at least a changed, perspective on life.  As far as specifics, the following gentlemen say it better than I could, and probably in fewer words:

(specifically about opiates:)

Opium teaches only one thing, which is that aside from physical suffering, there is nothing real.
--Andre Malraux

A man who has once experienced the drug-life finds it difficult to put up with the inanity of normal existence.  He has become wise with the wisdom of despair.
--Aleister Crowley

Who lives longer? the man who takes heroin for two years and dies, or a man who lives on roast beef, water and potatoes 'till 95? One passes his 24 months in eternity. All the years of the beefeater are lived only in time.
--Aldous Huxley

It is difficult to live without opium after having known it because it is difficult, after knowing opium, to take earth seriously. And unless one is a saint, it is difficult to live without taking earth seriously.
--Jean Cocteau

(about pleasure in general:)

If suffering brings wisdom, I would wish to be less wise.
--William Butler Yeats

Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it.
--Thomas Jefferson

Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.
--Scott Adams


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: deCypher]
    #18762205 - 08/27/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: deCypher]
    #18762268 - 08/27/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it.
--Thomas Jefferson




awesome

i miss the days of binging on psychs, and will never again feel that alive, or at least that is how it feels.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: deCypher]
    #18762428 - 08/27/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Those are some powerful quotes and I can relate to some of them even though I am not a opiate addict. :thumbup:


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Icelander]
    #18762613 - 08/27/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

dude its heroin, its pretty much supposed to take away all thoughts and philosophy. You just sit there in bliss, nothing else matters but experiencing the ultimate pleasure.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: lolwut]
    #18763732 - 08/27/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nodding out after a shot isn't a very philosophical experience for me. It is an escape from the pain brought on by thinking.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Memories]
    #18763784 - 08/27/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

opium is more philosophical that heroin in my observational opinion.


I don't think it's much of a deep philosophical drug though...as stated it's more of a dreamstate...you may gain some insight but it's not comparable to psychedelics...it is poetic though. Some of my best, most like poetry came from when I was experimenting with opiates (never heroin specifically, I was already having enough problems with what I was doing).


I don't think the class of drugs is worth messing with. The problems outweigh any, negligable at best, benefits.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: lolwut]
    #18763852 - 08/27/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Death and impermanence

an ex friend of mine just died after about 10 years of opiate use, started with vicoden in his early teens, then morophine, oxy, roxy, then heroin for a year or two. Right around the beginning of his heroin use that's when he became a totally different person. I didn't find out until he had betrayed me in about every way possible. After that I cut all ties with that group of people. Now he's dead, O.D'd a month or two ago... he used to be a really good friend. Sad what that shit does to people. I literally have no friends due to strong opiates.



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Damn, into my life you came and changed my world around
We built a house on trust
I turn around and see you burn it down
I'm learnin' now not to put my heart on my sleeve
I can't believe, the web you weave, why don't you leave?
You just deceive, don't you see how shockin' that get?
We was best friends, now people say you talkin' that shhh
I had your back and never did I lack respect for you as a friend
Now I'm all alone and back on my own and you blowin' in the wind




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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Sse]
    #18764038 - 08/27/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sse said:
Death and impermanence

Right around the beginning of his heroin use that's when he became a totally different person. I didn't find out until he had betrayed me in about every way possible. After that I cut all ties with that group of people. Now he's dead, O.D'd a month or two ago... he used to be a really good friend. Sad what that shit does to people. I literally have no friends due to strong opiates.






this is an all too common story. I don't know anyone whose personality doesn't tremendously change when they start doing a lot of opiates.

The drugs take over your nervous system and it becomes incredibly difficult to fight the growing voice in your mind that is only concerned with feeling good. It's a disgusting self perpetuating cycle. I would, again, strongly advise against heavy or continued opiate use.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18765821 - 08/27/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Aleister Crowley was addicted to heroin...He had some interesting stuff and was very much for personal freedom.

"“Every one interprets everything in terms of his own experience. If you say anything which does not touch a precisely similar spot in another man's brain, he either misunderstands you, or doesn't understand you at all.”
― Aleister Crowley, Diary of a Drug Fiend


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: deCypher]
    #18765953 - 08/27/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
It is difficult to live without opium after having known it because it is difficult, after knowing opium, to take earth seriously. And unless one is a saint, it is difficult to live without taking earth seriously.
--Jean Cocteau





Awesome quotes. Especially this one, since I was looking for it not too long ago. Spent quite a bit trying to find it. I think i originally saw it on erowid but couldn't remember the right combination of words. Thanks. :mushroom2:


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Memories]
    #18766120 - 08/27/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Memories said:
Nodding out after a shot isn't a very philosophical experience for me. It is an escape from the pain brought on by thinking.




Yeah when I am nodding the last thing I am doing is thinking. I am more just nodding. And seeing strange stuff.

Oddly heroin and other opiates are not THAT appealing to me - I enjoy nodding occasionally but I much prefer the bliss from benzos. But that's another story.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
    #18768947 - 08/28/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's why you mix the two. :tongue:


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: Memories]
    #18769695 - 08/28/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's why you mix the two. :tongue:




The best way to philosophically face your death anxiety.  :yesnod:


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: deCypher]
    #18770429 - 08/28/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure about heroin, but I've had some insights on Opiates way back in the day. Mostly that, I'm seeking pleasure, and we're all seeking pleasure be it in one way or another. I heard it a million times before hand, but feeling it to the bone... that's a different story. :smile:

By the way, awesome avatar. I love King Crimson. :awehigh:


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: lolwut]
    #18770445 - 08/28/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Opiates make me depressed and depression makes me philosophical.


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Re: Philosophical content of Heroin? [Re: lolwut]
    #18770532 - 08/28/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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lolwut said:
Just wondering what the deal is with heroin and philosophical content. My drug use in the past (practically everything except opiates) have led me to many insights and ideas and realizations about life and myself etc.

In music I have heard many songs about it, many songs written from the perspective of a (musically talented) addict and am wondering if anyone here who has had experience with the drug has anything to say about it.




I have zero experience with it.  I hate guns and I hate roses and their thorns and their diseases.  But this song is pretty cool.  That's what I have to say.



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