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infidelGOD
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now that makes no sense. it's a completely meaningless comparison. what kind of exposure are you talking about? since you didn't provide any useful information, lets assume you're talking about equal amounts of each and lets do a simple test. which is worse: inhaling a lungful of cigarrette smoke or a lungful of DU dust? knowing that both are potentially carcinogenic, which would you rather do? answer honestly now.
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Re: WMD's Found in Iraq!!!!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1893108 - 09/08/03 04:00 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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LMAO... yeah man whatever.... Perhaps you'll find this useful Here ya go
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infidelGOD
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were you being sarcastic when you said this?: "Cigarette smoke is more damaging than depleted uranium"
because that was the point I was addressing. figure it out.
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st0nedphucker
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Re: WMD's Found in Iraq!!!!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1893135 - 09/08/03 04:19 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would actually bet it is... Im not sure if any clinical studies have been done to compare them though :P
Perhaps you could find some evidence to suggest otherwise
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infidelGOD
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I don't think there are any studies that compare cigarette smoke to depleted uranium. a direct comparison is impossible but, like I said, it would depend on the type of exposure. I'm sure that in equal amounts, when breathed in, uranium is much worse. most studies that measure the danger of uranium only consider radioactive exposure from being in close proximity, like the WHO study that looked at uranium miners. they found that just being close to uranium increases your chance of getting cancer, but as you know, DU turns to dust on impact and spreads getting in the lungs of anyone downwind. Gulf War Syndrome anyone?
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Re: WMD's Found in Iraq!!!!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1893264 - 09/08/03 07:13 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The WHO document said that miners had an increased risk of cancer from breathing in the radon gas that is produced by decaying uranium. But breathing in radon 8 hours a day, 5 days a week during many years in an enclosed space where the gas slowly accumulates is very different from having a couple of pounds of uranium (natural or depleted) in your back yard, where all of the radon will be diluted by the surrounding atmosphere.
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Re: WMD's Found in Iraq!!!!!!! [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1893283 - 09/08/03 07:32 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
bluemeanie said: You poor uneducated, vindictive sod. The US arent even looking for WMD's anymore. Infact when the the US military first entered Baghdad they did not instigate any of their anti-chemical weapon protocols. Infact all they did was secure the ministry of oil, while leaving the rest of the city to chaos. Surely a military force with even unreliable intelligence suggesting the possibility of chemical or biological or WMD attack would prepare itself in some way - obviously their intelligence really suggested what we all knew all along - the WMD story was just that. As for capital punishment - anyone who agrees with it, is pretty much telling us that they feel they can act in God/Krishna/Allah/Buddha's place and have a death on their hands. Even if you agree, the fact that in two states in america 40% of inmates on deathrow had questionable cases used to convict them, and reasonable argument for appeal (which are nearly always refused for fear of embarrassing their corrupt state legal system). The fact that a country that tries to base itself on a twisted 'holier than thou' fundamentalist christian ethic puts more of its own citizens to death than most third world nations speaks for itself...
Just because my opinion differs from yours is no reason for name calling. Try reading the forum rules again. Your statements above about WMDs have no basis in reality either. Yes they are still looking for WMDs. Yes they did adhere to their chemical and bio protocols all the way through Iraq. You come into this thread and flame someone and then spew a bunch of bullshit. Who is uneducated?
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infidelGOD
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Re: WMD's Found in Iraq!!!!!!! [Re: Rhizoid]
#1893311 - 09/08/03 07:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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my mistake, I only read your exerpts. but it brings up a good point. wouldn't you say that breathing in DU and having the radioactive DU dust stay in your lungs is closer to working in a uranium mine than being exposed to natural uranium in the soil? even the WHO document acknowledges that there are some dangers. it recommends: -Following conflict, levels of DU contamination in food and drinking water might be detected in affected areas even after a few years. This should be monitored where it is considered there is a reasonable possibility of significant quantities of DU entering the ground water or food chain. -Where justified and possible, clean-up operations in impact zones should be undertaken if there are substantial numbers of radioactive projectiles remaining and where qualified experts deem contamination levels to be unacceptable. If high concentrations of DU dust or metal fragments are present, then areas may need to be cordoned off until removal can be accomplished. Such impact sites are likely to contain a variety of hazardous materials, in particular unexploded ordnance. Due consideration needs to be given to all hazards, and the potential hazard from DU kept in perspective. -Small children could receive greater exposure to DU when playing in or near DU impact sites. Their typical hand-to-mouth activity could lead to high DU ingestion from contaminated soil. Necessary preventative measures should be taken. -Disposal of DU should follow appropriate national or international recommendations I don't think we should be using DU because there ARE adverse health effects, however slight, for the civilian population that can persist for years. I just don't think it's ethical to contaminate another country with radiation just so our munitions could be a bit more effective. and we don't really NEED to use DU. we did fine without it.
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Re: WMD's Found in Iraq!!!!!!! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1893315 - 09/08/03 07:46 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed
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