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Jive turkey
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all tubs contamined
#18761092 - 08/26/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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had all my monotubs contaminate and I can figure out where I goofed up. my jars were 100% colonized with no signs of contams and my substrate was pasteurized some tubs done with bucket tek others done on stovetop with candy thermometer.
the all contaminated soon after the holes were stuffed
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SpitballJedi
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what pasteurization tek did you follow?
May have had a hidden contam in your spawn
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Pastywhyte
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My money is on the spawn. What was your sub? If its just coir and verm then odds are dirty spawn as coir and verm is pretty forgiving, even with bucket tek.
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Jive turkey
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Re: all tubs contamined [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18761140 - 08/26/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah my sub was just coir and verm.
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SpitballJedi
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Although coir and verm are forgiving, they are not fool proof for every person. The bucket tek is hit or miss for myself and many others.
What was the stove top process/tek you followed? And what was your spawn?
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Edited by SpitballJedi (08/26/13 07:52 PM)
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Jive turkey
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SpitballJedi said: Although coir and verm are forgiving, they are not fool proof for every person. The bucket tek is hit or miss for myself and many others.
What was the stove top process/tek you followed? And what was your spawn?
my spawn was wbs i pasteurized the sub in a pillowcase put it in a kettle of water kept temp at 158f for and hour
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Pastywhyte
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SpitballJedi said: Although coir and verm are forgiving, they are not fool proof for every person. The bucket tek is hit or miss for myself and many others.
Not saying its not, but I have done about 20 tubs with the bucket tek and only had one go south. I have screwed up the temps on many stovetop pastuerizations as well (but also got many right). So far I have only had one tub get the green before the first flush, and that time I'm pretty sure it was the spawn.
I'm not saying that coir and verm is foolproof, but it will tolerate being accidentaly sterilized or partially sterilized.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14037621#14037621
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17037455#17037455
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11723153#11723153
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18491165#18491165
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Jive turkey
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Re: all tubs contamined [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18761217 - 08/26/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If there was contamination in my spawn they it really good. My grains all looked good and smelled like fresh mushrooms
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SpitballJedi
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I've read all those threads before. I doubt you will tell or show me anything I don't already know on the matter
I'm certainly not going to try and convince anyone to stop using the bucket tek. If it's working for you, then great.
But there are plenty of respected members who have sworn off the bucket tek, too many to be ignored.
OP, at this time, it is difficult to say with certainty if it's your spawn or your pasteurization.
I don't know all the details of what you did, but there is a better way to insure proper pasteurization than with the pillowcase method.
You may have gotten it too wet, or your core temperature was not correct. It's not as simple as just dipping the pillow case in 158F water for an hour.
Try a couple of runs with proper pasteurization. If you still get contams, then it's your spawn.
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Pastywhyte
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I posted those threads more for the OP's benefit than yours I'm also not trying to plug the bucket tek, I have had success with both the bucket and proper pasteurization, but these days I do proper pasteurization more often than not (usually due to the addition of poo and straw to my subs as of late). I am thinking however that if OP did a bunch of tubs with just coir and verm, plus he used a variety of pasteurization methods, then I find it a bit unlikely that every tub would contam if his spawn was truly clean. IMO the spawn is the more likely contam vector given these circumstances.
However OP I do agree that SBJ is right in that it cannot be said for certain if its the spawn or the pasteurization. If it was me, I would start over and be sure that I had clean spawn, as that will most likely be the first hurdle. Maybe consider using agar as an inoculate if you arn't already, and/or recheck your sterile technique. If that is covered and you still have tubs contam, then you will know its your pasteurization.
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Re: all tubs contamined [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18763777 - 08/27/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree. I believe it is most likely the spawn.
I just didn't want to rule out the sub prep because I don't think he has properly pasteurized.
It's all good. Your a good member.
Being as coir and verm are so forgiving, I'm of the opinion that it's easier to figure out proper pasteurization than it is to figure out better spawn prep, especially if your spawn seems to look and smell good.
If you aim for proper pasteurization, then coir and verm are even more forgiving.
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Mush4Brains
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Man a couple back when Damion5050 and TL were doing their thing nobody was ever pimping "proper pasteurization" as hard as they are now. The bucket tek works, you won't have multiple failed tubs because you bucket tek'd instead of "properly" pasteurizing.
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SpitballJedi
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Mush4Brains said: ...you won't have multiple failed tubs because you bucket tek'd instead of "properly" pasteurizing.
You are wrong.
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Mush4Brains
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SpitballJedi said:
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Mush4Brains said: ...you won't have multiple failed tubs because you bucket tek'd instead of "properly" pasteurizing.
You are wrong.
For someone who did their first monotub seven months ago, those are pretty strong words. For someone who posted "why do I suck so much at mycology?" seven months ago as well, I'm not sure what to think of your post.
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FrankHorrigan
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Oh for god's sake, back then they didn't know as definitively as they do now that it can fail for no other reason than the bucket tek. There is a reason that people push proper pasteurization.
You speak like someone who hasn't had enough green in his shit to know what he's talking about, so you should back off respectable members that you know little about.
On the other hand, I have personally run hundreds of tubs at this point. I can say without a doubt that bucket tek is unreliable, esp after you've had some contam issues in your grow area.
If you want your best chance of success, properly pasteurize. if you want to chance it, go for it, bucket tek works for a lot of people.
But don't waste everyone's time saying that the bucket tek can't cause issues for multiple tubs out of ten, I've seen it happen more than once.
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Jive turkey said: had all my monotubs contaminate and I can figure out where I goofed up. my jars were 100% colonized with no signs of contams and my substrate was pasteurized some tubs done with bucket tek others done on stovetop with candy thermometer.
the all contaminated soon after the holes were stuffed
I bet your culture or spore syringe was contam'd.
100% failure rate is usually a sign of something going wrong initially, esp since you properly pasteurized.
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SpitballJedi
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Mush4Brains said: ...you won't have multiple failed tubs because you bucket tek'd instead of "properly" pasteurizing.
You are wrong.
For someone who did their first monotub seven months ago, those are pretty strong words. For someone who posted "why do I suck so much at mycology?" seven months ago as well, I'm not sure what to think of your post.
That was seven months ago. Take it for what you will.
But your statement is not completely true. I'm not suggesting the bucket tek is bad or doesn't work, but to say "...you won't have multiple failed tubs because you bucket tek'd instead of "properly" pasteurizing." is a leap because some people have the opposite experience. Myself being one of them.
My "I suck" posts are what lead me to the path of proper pasteurization and I no longer suck.
The only people you will see me tell "stop using the bucket tek" are those who are experiencing problems. And even then, I only suggest it as a control to discover the problem.
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Mush4Brains
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Why couldn't you just post something like that before coming in and saying "You are wrong."
Yes, I've had tubs go green just like other growers, but the bucket tek has done nothing but make my whole process easier. Saves me time and effort. It's worth it to me.
We've seen the success other TCs have had with it, no, it doesn't work for everyone, but it isn't this terrible tek that has no legs to walk on.
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tbagtag
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Oooh ooh I want in! 7 months can give you a bit of experience with enough time, money and reading. Bacteria or competitive molds might not have a smell when cube mycelium is dominant.
Spawn or syringe is my guess.
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SpitballJedi
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Mush4Brains said: Why couldn't you just post something like that before coming in and saying "You are wrong."
Because your statement was wrong and you were calling me out. Besides, I think I made my stance clear earlier in the thread and in others. I don't like repeating myself.
Your statement was basically saying I was wrong, but you said it with more words. I just say it directly.
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Mush4Brains said: Yes, I've had tubs go green just like other growers, but the bucket tek has done nothing but make my whole process easier. Saves me time and effort. It's worth it to me.
We've seen the success other TCs have had with it, no, it doesn't work for everyone, but it isn't this terrible tek that has no legs to walk on.
Why couldn't you have just said something like this.
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Re: all tubs contamined [Re: tbagtag]
#18765291 - 08/27/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Except I did say something extremely similar by saying TL and Damion5050 were doing this long before this new "proper pasteurization" kick came into play, with absolutely amazing results.
You ever seen TL's one flush wonder tubs? And he's still doing it, I don't see why I can't support one method and defend it when it works for me and others
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