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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760900 - 08/26/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And how can people still disagree with that much info in front of them.  Putting it in the dark will slow the pinning and growing process of the shrooms but the myce as well it's counter productive.  And whatever grammar nazi


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760921 - 08/26/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Putting it in the dark will slow the pinning and growing process of the shrooms



I was waiting for someone to come out and say it.

Where is the proof of this?

Because to my knowledge the only way to slow down the growth process is by lowering the temperature.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: PussyFart]
    #18760967 - 08/26/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you are aware of the parameters of mushroom growth at all phases then you may come to realize there are reasons folks "incubate" spawn/cakes.  Incubation has historically provided a dark, dust free, draft free, semi warm and/or regulated place to colonize jars.

Since major pinning triggers are associated with
-Fresh air
-rH
-Light
-Temperature drop
             
          the "incubation" scenario pretty much eliminates all pinning triggers.

If you have pins invitro, and you dont want them, try eliminating all of the triggers for pinning.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18760978 - 08/26/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

RR suggests no substrate needs to be incubated and that if a relative 70 degrees can't be kept then you need to find a more suitable area.  using a space heater will dry out the air too much.
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If you are aware of the parameters of mushroom growth at all phases then you may come to realize there are reasons folks "incubate" spawn/cakes.  Incubation has historically provided a dark, dust free, draft free, semi warm and/or regulated place to colonize jars.

Since major pinning triggers are associated with
-Fresh air
-rH
-Light
-Temperature drop
             
          the "incubation" scenario pretty much eliminates all pinning triggers.

If you have pins invitro, and you dont want them, try eliminating all of the triggers for pinning.




Where is evaporation in your list cause thats #1


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760997 - 08/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, full colonization is # 1

Just give up guys. It's like talking to a child. I have never seen such pride and arrogance


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18761079 - 08/26/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Gretchenmeister, with all due respect, you will get nowhere with dustinthewind.

He rarely even gets the point of what's being said. He has some knowledge, but can't seem to put it in order or context.

Sorry, but it's true. It's clear you have an understanding of the benefits of light, but your understanding is only based on what you have read, much like my own.

I have done side by side experiments with colonizing, light and no light, and have noticed no difference.

I can't honestly say I have a full understanding of light, but I sure ain't gonna sit here and argue with anyone about it, especially a TC.

The fact I know for sure is that mycelium does not require light to propagate and eventually fruit. People have colonized in the dark for years. The idea of light in all stages is relatively new.

However, there does seem to be a lot of talk about light being beneficial in establishing circadian rhythm and being a minor pinning trigger. If this is true, then light is beneficial, but still not required for mycelial growth.

For this reason, perhaps, a less than 100% colonized jar in the dark may help prevent early pinning. Or in the case of the OP, further early pinning. I can't say I know for sure.

Your problem is you think you know, but you don't. You really need to learn to ask questions instead of regurgitating what you've read but don't understand. To improve your debate skills, you need to have the understanding so that you can put your knowledge in the correct context.

If you still don't understand why TC made the suggestion, you are lost.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18761129 - 08/26/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If you are aware of the parameters of mushroom growth at all phases then you may come to realize there are reasons folks "incubate" spawn/cakes.  Incubation has historically provided a dark, dust free, draft free, semi warm and/or regulated place to colonize jars.

Since major pinning triggers are associated with
-Fresh air
-rH
-Light
-Temperature drop
             
          the "incubation" scenario pretty much eliminates all pinning triggers.

If you have pins invitro, and you dont want them, try eliminating all of the triggers for pinning.



Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger, not really a main pinning trigger at all.

Meaning it will do nothing for pinning without some of the other main pinning triggers, like full colonization.

For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Also, humidity is not a pinning trigger....yes it is associated with fruiting, but that is a given when you have evaporation and FAE.

Not trying to argue here, as I believe you know your shit.... just clarifying a few things is all.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Stromrider]
    #18761710 - 08/26/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No full colonization is # 1

Just give up guys. It's like talking to a child. I have never seen such pride and arrogance



The #1 key to pinning is no full colonization WTF are you talking about.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18761725 - 08/26/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
Gretchenmeister, with all due respect, you will get nowhere with dustinthewind.

He rarely even gets the point of what's being said. He has some knowledge, but can't seem to put it in order or context.

Sorry, but it's true. It's clear you have an understanding of the benefits of light, but your understanding is only based on what you have read, much like my own.

I have done side by side experiments with colonizing, light and no light, and have noticed no difference.

I can't honestly say I have a full understanding of light, but I sure ain't gonna sit here and argue with anyone about it, especially a TC.

The fact I know for sure is that mycelium does not require light to propagate and eventually fruit. People have colonized in the dark for years. The idea of light in all stages is relatively new.

However, there does seem to be a lot of talk about light being beneficial in establishing circadian rhythm and being a minor pinning trigger. If this is true, then light is beneficial, but still not required for mycelial growth.

For this reason, perhaps, a less than 100% colonized jar in the dark may help prevent early pinning. Or in the case of the OP, further early pinning. I can't say I know for sure.

Your problem is you think you know, but you don't. You really need to learn to ask questions instead of regurgitating what you've read but don't understand. To improve your debate skills, you need to have the understanding so that you can put your knowledge in the correct context.

If you still don't understand why TC made the suggestion, you are lost.



Light is a minor pinning trigger?!
#1 Light
#2 FAE
#3 misting and evaporation
#4 RH and GE
those four are the key elements to a great pin set. :notimpressed:


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18761744 - 08/26/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

SpitballJedi said:
Gretchenmeister, with all due respect, you will get nowhere with dustinthewind.

He rarely even gets the point of what's being said. He has some knowledge, but can't seem to put it in order or context.

Sorry, but it's true. It's clear you have an understanding of the benefits of light, but your understanding is only based on what you have read, much like my own.

I have done side by side experiments with colonizing, light and no light, and have noticed no difference.

I can't honestly say I have a full understanding of light, but I sure ain't gonna sit here and argue with anyone about it, especially a TC.

The fact I know for sure is that mycelium does not require light to propagate and eventually fruit. People have colonized in the dark for years. The idea of light in all stages is relatively new.

However, there does seem to be a lot of talk about light being beneficial in establishing circadian rhythm and being a minor pinning trigger. If this is true, then light is beneficial, but still not required for mycelial growth.

For this reason, perhaps, a less than 100% colonized jar in the dark may help prevent early pinning. Or in the case of the OP, further early pinning. I can't say I know for sure.

Your problem is you think you know, but you don't. You really need to learn to ask questions instead of regurgitating what you've read but don't understand. To improve your debate skills, you need to have the understanding so that you can put your knowledge in the correct context.

If you still don't understand why TC made the suggestion, you are lost.




Don't say no disrespect then belittle my name:drunkdriver:


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18761792 - 08/26/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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psillyshroomer said:
No full colonization is # 1

Just give up guys. It's like talking to a child. I have never seen such pride and arrogance



The #1 key to pinning is no full colonization WTF are you talking about.



WTF are you on, it is one of the main pinning triggers.

As stated above...Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger, not really a main pinning trigger at all.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: PussyFart]
    #18761851 - 08/26/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Full colonization is absolutely the main pinning trigger :facepalm:


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18762045 - 08/26/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ghostinthemist said:
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psillyshroomer said:
No full colonization is # 1

Just give up guys. It's like talking to a child. I have never seen such pride and arrogance



The #1 key to pinning is no full colonization WTF are you talking about.



This is where i became confused your typo.  i apologize.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18762219 - 08/27/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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And how can people still disagree with that much info in front of them.  Putting it in the dark will slow the pinning and growing process of the shrooms but the myce as well it's counter productive.  And whatever grammar nazi



You mean this info you just posted?

*Normal room light has no effect on colonizing mycelium, either good or bad. Usually, when mycelium stalls, it's due to lack of air exchange. If you have a verm filter, take the lid all the way off for a few minutes and then put it back on. If the mycelium starts to grow again, you know that was the problem. Make sure the inoculation/gas exchange holes are open. LIGHTING

*Light has little to no effect on colonizing mycelium. I expose all jars to light from day one. I also incubate on a shelf in an open room at room temperature. If you visit fungi perfecti, you'll see that stamets has 10,000 square feet of incubation area, all of it exposed to fluorescent lights for 8 to 10 hours per day. He no longer recommends incubation in total darkness as he did 20 years ago when he wrote TMC. I concur. TMC FAULT, LIGHTING


*Light has neither good nor ill effects on growing mushroom mycelium. It will not hurt, nor help, but there is no need to keep your jars in the dark. Stamets makes this clear in GGMC. He used to recommend incubation in total darkness (TMC), but he no longer recommends this. I concur. If you visit fungi perfect you will see he has 10,000 square feet of incubation space that is exposed to overhead fluorescent lights during the full workday. My jars sit on a shelf in an open room as said above and they're exposed to light from the day spores are started. TMC FAULT, LIGHTING

*In my experience, it's better to expose to light from day one. If you'll just let your bags or jars colonize on a shelf in a room of your house, they'll be exposed to normal room light. This will help to initiate pinning as soon as the substrate is ready to support fruitbodies. Colonizing your jars in the dark only delays pinning, and delay is not good in this hobby. Get light on it right away. I seriously disagree with keeping cubie mycelium in the dark at any time. I expose to light from the time the spores germinate on agar. Sometimes there are even a few pins in the jars when I break them up for the casing. That is no problem. Just mix them in and case it. If you give light from day one, your yields will go up, and you won't face overlay problems. EXPOSING LIGHT FROM DAY ONE


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Kizzle]
    #18763223 - 08/27/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Done.. if all that is going to happen is people will repost part much the exact thing I say or write and someone can agree with them.  Expose your jars from day one if there pinning early it's either thinking it's fully colonized our it has a contamination.  Period no ifs ands or buts.  Putting it in the dark will show the growth but will also allow if there is contamination it will take over plain and simple.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18764379 - 08/27/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Done.. if all that is going to happen is people will repost part much the exact thing I say or write and someone can agree with them.  Expose your jars from day one if there pinning early it's either thinking it's fully colonized our it has a contamination.  Period no ifs ands or buts.  Putting it in the dark will show the growth but will also allow if there is contamination it will take over plain and simple.



The point was for you to read it, which obviously you didn't because you're not agreeing with what you just posted. You specifically said putting them in the dark slows the growth of the mycelium and then posted RR quotes saying it doesn't.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #24467911 - 07/08/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

great info!


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