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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: SurReality]
    #18760998 - 08/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How bout getting drunk and cocky in a bar/ nightclub. I think people are much more likely to escalate a situation if they are carrying.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18760999 - 08/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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My point was that I think people who carry guns are more likely to put themselves in risky situations that they would otherwise avoid if they weren't carrying.




Idiots will be idiots. Just because someone can conceal carry doesn't mean they decide to now walk down the dark alleys every night.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: 4runner]
    #18761004 - 08/26/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18761008 - 08/26/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like the s&w m&p's better than the glocks.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: SurReality]
    #18761009 - 08/26/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yea most people i know who carry don't carry to bars or avoid bars all together especially if they are drinking heavy.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: SurReality]
    #18761012 - 08/26/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lets just say I've known some people in my day who would beg to differ with that generalization


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18761016 - 08/26/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lets just say I've known some people in my day who would beg to differ with that generalization




So did they get all shooty and bloody the places up?


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18761023 - 08/26/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

wasn't a generalization, just my personal experience. i have seen guns come out at the bar but i didn't know them and i am pretty sure they weren't legally carrying them.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: 4runner]
    #18761589 - 08/26/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Lets just say I've known some people in my day who would beg to differ with that generalization




So did they get all shooty and bloody the places up?



No, but I've seen it make people cocky enough that it was a damn good thing that didn't happen. I get cocky enough from my martial arts training. I don't know what I'd be like if I were carrying a gun and drinking.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18761596 - 08/26/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You'd probably end up shooting yourself.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: something super extreme]
    #18761599 - 08/26/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

probably


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18761603 - 08/26/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i think the problem is being cocky lol, whether or not you have a gun. if you threaten someones life in america there's a good chance your getting shot.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: SurReality]
    #18761606 - 08/26/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why I prefer to just opt out :shrug:


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18761650 - 08/26/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i'm just replying you saying your martial arts training makes you cocky. most people into that know pressure points which are lethal, and if you just started a fight with someone you would be completely liable to be shot although not killed.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: SurReality]
    #18761705 - 08/26/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

.22 is definitely lethal.  Shot placement makes the biggest difference anyways.  .22 magnum has nearly the same energy as a 9mm but with better trajectory, velocity and good peneteration.  Barrel length also makes a big difference to projectile energy.


I would have gone with a .40 and bought a .357 sig barrel as well.  .357 sig works with .40 magazines and guns and is a great round, better than .45 acp in my opinion.  It has more energy than a .45 acp and you can carry more of them in the same size magazine, better penetration potential too, .357 sig could penetrate higher level body armor or cover than .45 acp.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: Shins]
    #18761802 - 08/26/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for your input. this was my first gun though, and i admit i'm pretty ignorant about guns as far as the differences in them. but i feel this is a good weapon for an experienced shooter who grew up around guns. i like that there is no safety non-sense, if i want my guns to not fire then i won't load them.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: Shins]
    #18762142 - 08/27/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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.22 is definitely lethal.  Shot placement makes the biggest difference anyways.  .22 magnum has nearly the same energy as a 9mm but with better trajectory, velocity and good peneteration.  Barrel length also makes a big difference to projectile energy.






Yep, unless specified any 22 mag ballistics will be for a rifle barrel. It's only mariginally better than 22lr in a handgun.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18762529 - 08/27/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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.45 ACP has twice the energy of 9mm Parabellum for a similar sized bullet and that translates as much more penetrating power.

I read a PDF (I believe posted by Prisoner) where LEO investigated which bullet was the most lethal under varied circumstances and .45 won it with a landslide over 9mm.





I believe the .22 was right on par with the 9mm in lethality, the data was
collected from actual shootings as opposed to ballistic gel lab tests





I'm not disputing the .22 lethality just that there was a collossal energy difference between .45 and 9mm.

Not all .22 aree created equal though, some are solely propelled with just a primer while others are packed to the brim with powder.  Obviously that makes a huge difference in effectiveness.


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: SurReality]
    #18762567 - 08/27/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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because i like the glock it seems easy to clean




Keeping a pistol clean is very important to it's accuracy, it's been mentioned by marksman though who've been shooting for years they aren't that accurate.





accuracy is in the shooter, even the most accurate gun n the world isnt going
to hit dick if the shooter is incompetent, marksmen will tell you that you
cant shoot targets at 300-600 yards with a pistol using open sights as well
but there's people out there that can. if the sights are off some can take
one shot and know how to compensate, others are instinct shooters, they can
fire from the hip and hit their target






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well considering i trust pris more than just about anyone else to know what he's talking about. i went and got the .45 which was my first choice anyway... waiting for pic to upload :smile:







I'm not a bit fan of glock but they are good guns and there's a lot of shit
out there that can help you tailor the gun for your self and your style of
shooting, threaded barrels, compensated barrels/slides, mag wells, extended
magazines, a great deal of stuff that many people find useful or just fun


the .45 ACP is a good general duty round that can be bought in a number of
configurations, Hornady Critical Defense is a great round for a carry
weapon while any standard ball round above 200 grains is great for target
practice and still somewhat affordable. some manufacturers do recommend a
specific weight range for their guns based on the rifling and the twist
rate, you shouldnt have trouble feeding any .45 ammo through it though


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Re: Finally getting a gun tomorrow! [Re: Shins]
    #18762571 - 08/27/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I would have gone with a .40 and bought a .357 sig barrel as well. 





the problem with these is there's less availability of ammo especially
during times when ammo is already scarce


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