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The_Red_Crayon
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Syria is about to be hit.
#18760431 - 08/26/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think Obama is going to get UN approval, UN inspectors were shot at by snipers and one of their vehicles disabled, apparently Assad is trying to stonewall inspections, which in a warzone isn't hard to do. Russia is in a pisser because the US is about to lose what little influence they have in another mid-east country. It really doesn't matter about the chemical weapons, I don't see how it matters whether a bomb drops on you or gas. I also know the USA would love to see Assad fall, it would put Hezbollah into a nasty situation, their supply lines completely cut, Iran would lose its pressure on Israel. Russia and China will try to veto whatever combat operations undertaken. We may see serious action because if the country falls and secularists from the FSA are stamped out and Jihadists like Nusra front and Islamic State in Iraq and Levant take power, they will have arms depots and whatever to pick from, it will be very very bad, This can fuck up immediately, or it could be a swift successful operation. You never know with war.
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If Assad falls what comes next?
I guess we know where Saddam's chemical weapons went now, don't we?
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18760874 - 08/26/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If Assad falls what comes next?
I guess we know where Saddam's chemical weapons went now, don't we?
Who knows what will happen, if the jihadists gain the upperhand they have a pick of the litter of immense amounts of weapon depots, ordinance depots, air bases, military bases, armouries. Is the US just going to bomb certain targets, cripple Assad's troops and let the rebels do the rest, or are we going to directly influence events, im thinking the latter, operations on a limited scale just to topple Assad and hope that because of our gesture of goodwill folks will naturally like us and pro-western regime is emplaced.
Now, the Jihadi's and Salafists shoot themselves in the foot, any time they take power, their terrorizing ways and brutality against civilians turns people away from their cause. Lots of militia's make up the FSA, but Jabhat al Nusra and ISIL are uncontrollable, and recent infighting between groups shows how shaky their relationship is.
We need to throw our chips behind the right people, secularists in the FSA should be it, but whether they have the power, most people resent Al Qaeda and Al Nusra front because they are seen as foreigners and only allowed because they need fighters. I think if Assad is toppled the jihadi's will be ran out of town, this I hope. Any time they are given the reigns of government their thuggish ways turn the people against them.
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It wasn't the people who overthrew the Taliban and Iran is still run by lunatic nutcases. Turkey is turning less and less secular and Egypt is anybody's guess. I'm going to guess that whoever overturns Assad will be less secular. I can hope otherwise, as I'm sure you do, but I do not find it likely.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#18761550 - 08/26/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's no evidence any of assads troops fired on the inspectors in fact they were helping guard them. Most likely it was the rebel terrorists.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: Shins]
#18761580 - 08/26/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shins said: There's no evidence any of assads troops fired on the inspectors in fact they were helping guard them. Most likely it was the rebel terrorists.
exactly, we are being lied to again and again. ...
the apocalypse could very well be around the corner in my opinion. Our species is fucked.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18761795 - 08/26/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hope is a bird that has long flown away in the middle east.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: imachavel]
#18761980 - 08/26/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agree
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: Icelander]
#18762999 - 08/27/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The fact of the matter is that this is frankly none of our business. Obama is a madman that is wet at the idea of WWIII, and Syria may very well be his golden ticket.
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The warmongers pretend to be bold and righteous while in reality they are scared shitless of the possibility they've been rooting for the wrong team this whole time. They blithely accept whatever is decreed about foreign policy as the truth, then repeat the decree endlessly on various forums.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: SWEDEN]
#18763191 - 08/27/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: Shins]
#18763765 - 08/27/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shins said: There's no evidence any of assads troops fired on the inspectors in fact they were helping guard them. Most likely it was the rebel terrorists.
It doesn't matter, that assshole autocrat could of just left, took his daddy's money and went into exile, no, instead he is destroying his own country and 80% of the population, piece by piece, This war needs to be stopped, its ferocity is growing out of control, and it could push a general conflagration between Sunni vs Shiia if nothing is done, It needs be ended soon. It is directly destabilizing Lebanon and Iraq, Al Nusra Front has already emerged with a giant swath of territory in N. Syria already butting heads with Kurdish PYD. Do you suppose we let them take over.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: circastes]
#18764480 - 08/27/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: My face when Muslims spend centuries killing each other when God is consciousness.
And we should allow genocide to occur blindly, We should act with complete ambivalence if their was another Rwanda, because Syria is at out of control stages of violence and millions of civilians are refugee's fleeing into lesser warzones like Iraq to escape the bloody apocalypse that Syria has become it is a humanitarian fucking nightmare, bodies rot in the streets, hospitals routinely bombed, civilians sniped, whole cities destroyed, the ancient UNESCO heritage sites in Allepo like the ancient Suq have been gutted by fire. It is tearing at the very fabric of the mid-east between Sunni and Shiaa relations this could explode in our face if we don't put a lid on it, or it can if we do. So I dunno.
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circastes said: My face when Muslims spend centuries killing each other when God is consciousness.
And we should allow genocide to occur blindly, We should act with complete ambivalence if their was another Rwanda, because Syria is at out of control stages of violence and millions of civilians are refugee's fleeing into lesser warzones like Iraq to escape the bloody apocalypse that Syria has become it is a humanitarian fucking nightmare, bodies rot in the streets, hospitals routinely bombed, civilians sniped, whole cities destroyed, the ancient UNESCO heritage sites in Allepo like the ancient Suq have been gutted by fire. It is tearing at the very fabric of the mid-east between Sunni and Shiaa relations this could explode in our face if we don't put a lid on it, or it can if we do. So I dunno.
Since when is war genocide? Attacking Syria will start world war three, are you aware of this? Do you think Russia, China, and Iran are just joking around? Russia's only warm water port is in Syria, you bet your ass they will fight for it.
It's none of our damn business anyway, we are not the world's police. We need to stay far away from this.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: setb]
#18764713 - 08/27/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: My face when Muslims spend centuries killing each other when God is consciousness.
And we should allow genocide to occur blindly, We should act with complete ambivalence if their was another Rwanda, because Syria is at out of control stages of violence and millions of civilians are refugee's fleeing into lesser warzones like Iraq to escape the bloody apocalypse that Syria has become it is a humanitarian fucking nightmare, bodies rot in the streets, hospitals routinely bombed, civilians sniped, whole cities destroyed, the ancient UNESCO heritage sites in Allepo like the ancient Suq have been gutted by fire. It is tearing at the very fabric of the mid-east between Sunni and Shiaa relations this could explode in our face if we don't put a lid on it, or it can if we do. So I dunno.
Since when is war genocide? Attacking Syria will start world war three, are you aware of this? Do you think Russia, China, and Iran are just joking around? Russia's only warm water port is in Syria, you bet your ass they will fight for it.
It's none of our damn business anyway, we are not the world's police. We need to stay far away from this.
How is Russia going to use what little Syrian coastline their is in the middle of a warzone, no Genocide and war are not the same, but they go quite together well hand in hand, it took the Congo civil war to ignite sufficient ethnic tensions between Hutu's and Tutsi's that led to a massacre, the break away wars in the Sudan led to the ethnic "cleansing" of non-arab blacks.
If something doesn't happen, we will see a massacre of maybe Christians, maybe Sunni's, maybe Kurds, if the rebels take Latakia, I would not want to be a Alawite, Islamic State of Iraq and Levant has already carved itself out a ministate in the north of Syria, their already sweeping through Alawite strongholds and the SAA is in total stalemate, if something doesn't give it really could turn into wwiii anyhow, I don't think Russia and China are going to sabotage themselves, they sell weapons to Assad, but they aren't going to put their necks out for him. They have a lovely seat on the security council to stonewall any UN efforts at brokering a resolution in Syria. The world is a bitter place, if We can get Assad out then maybe we can hasten this war to its conclusion instead of another 3 years of more people dieing, more refugees, of Syria burning ever more to the ground.
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Both sides are pieces of shit and the only reason we are going to get involved is because the fucking empty pants cunt in the Oval Office made an idiotic pronouncement last year about red lines and his face must be saved. The best thing the asshole ever says is nothing.
Also pieces of shit, the Russians and Chinese. Iran is no threat at all right now but they are seeing quite clearly the worth of empty pants cunt's threats.
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Re: Syria is about to be hit. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18764769 - 08/27/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Both sides are pieces of shit and the only reason we are going to get involved is because the fucking empty pants cunt in the Oval Office made an idiotic pronouncement last year about red lines and his face must be saved. The best thing the asshole ever says is nothing.
Also pieces of shit, the Russians and Chinese. Iran is no threat at all right now but they are seeing quite clearly the worth of empty pants cunt's threats.
Yea, I agree the whole chemical weapons crap smells like shit, what little attacks there were of them haven't really even been verified yet and the rebels in some instances have used chemical weapons themselves. We have no credibility left anyhow, but the Saudi's and the gulf states got a strong disliking for Assad, and this goes to Iran and Hezbollah and a running feud stretching a few dozen centuries back.
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The US and its allies have neen involved since the beginning covertly. The reason this has flared up so muvh is because of the support they have been giving the rebels already. They want to destablize Syria. But just go back to sleep and watch tv or video games like the rest of the fucking coward Sheep.
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