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GT fruiting before colonization
    #18759794 - 08/26/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hey everyone, question for you...

First time grower, using PFTek, golden teacher spores.  Started with 8 jars, lost 2 to contamination.  6 of them remain, looking good.

My jars are almost fully colonized, but one of them seems to be fruiting despite not being fully colonized.  There is an uncolonized section on an entire side of the jar, about 1cm in width.  Is this normal?  What would you suggest I do?  The fruiting I'm seeing is very small, probably less a quarter inch or less.

There are no signs of fruiting in the other jars yet and they're all about 90% colonized.

Would really appreciate any feedback!

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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: nitramcam]
    #18759861 - 08/26/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ok many variables....so
#1  You said you lost some to contamination.
A:  The contamination could have been caused by a bad sanitation procedures. I.E. not sterilizing in between inoculation points.  Or perhaps some of your jars did not PC properly or steam fully.  Or there's the chance you were looking at your jars and the verm layer on top rolled round a bit and allowed for contams to reach the substrate.

#2  The early fruiting
A:    Cakes IME have always started pinning when full consolidation has taken place and i forget to birth after the week. Pinning without full colonization is usually a sign of contamination.  Someone may try to correct me but IME it has always led to contamination.  Next time you do a set of cakes try putting micropore tape over the holes before steaming or PCing so you have an added layer of protection.  That way you can pick up your jars and enjoy them with a bit more certainty.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18759892 - 08/26/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think I should just ditch the jar that's pinning?  There is no other visual signs of contamination but I don't wanna risk it.

Luckily I did my 8 jars in 2 batches: 5 and then 3.  The jar we're discussing and the two I lost due to obvious contamination were all apart of the first 5.  I was much more careful the 2nd time, and all 3 of those jars are looking good.  Hopefully they're fine.

Thanks for the reply


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: nitramcam]
    #18759902 - 08/26/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Were they PC'd or steamed?  And you could just let it go in the jar for fun!  Check out my invitro grow.  I did birth mine about 3 days before harvest though.  You could let it continue to grow inside the jar and wait and see what happens.  But never birth a cake that isn't 100%.  It will contaminate.  Expect Llama to flame me.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: nitramcam]
    #18759906 - 08/26/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18759922 - 08/26/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Were they PC'd or steamed?  And you could just let it go in the jar for fun!  Check out my invitro grow.  I did birth mine about 3 days before harvest though.  You could let it continue to grow inside the jar and wait and see what happens.  But never birth a cake that isn't 100%.  It will contaminate.  Expect Llama to flame me.




Just to entertain you, I'll chime in. I am actually not experienced enough in this situation to confirm nor deny the advice given and know not to just talk out my arse if I don't know the answer, however it seems to fit with other information that I have read on this site.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: llama_police]
    #18759934 - 08/26/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I steamed them.  I stuck them in a bag in a drawer and I'll see what happens.  Little nervous about consuming the results now...

Thanks again for the help


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18759939 - 08/26/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambiant light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: nitramcam]
    #18759946 - 08/26/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I steamed them.  I stuck them in a bag in a drawer and I'll see what happens.  Little nervous about consuming the results now...

Thanks again for the help



Get yourself a PC and 90% of your troubles will go away.  Make sure you sterilize your syringe as well.  I take mine apart wrap it in tin foil and PC it with my batches.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18759947 - 08/26/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Gretchenmeister said:
Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambiant light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.




Bad advice!

From my personal experience, mycelium will grow fine in the dark.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: llama_police]
    #18759988 - 08/26/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Good for his personal experience here's Rodger Rabbits take on what you think.  See people he uses no facts to argue just opinion.  He's shooting at myths...:sploosh:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7804367#7804367


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760193 - 08/26/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Gretchenmeister said:
Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambiant light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.




This is not incorrect. You guys on this site underestimate the effects of light on pinning. I have been experimenting with this ever since a read a post by gretch a while back.
Don't just regurgitate a bunch of info you heard. Speak from experience


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Stromrider]
    #18760207 - 08/26/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I am  speaking from more experience than you and if you don't want to hear RR decades of regurgitated bullshit research vs your cultivating experience I'll take his all day compared to your NOOb ass


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Stromrider]
    #18760242 - 08/26/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have grown a couple tubs with black liners and a couple without. I never had any problems with bottom pinning on either. Just some side pins on the tubs without liners.
A few weeks back I spawned a tub and forgot to put the liner in :shrug: It happens. I didn't think much of it as it has never caused me issue before.
Once the tub was fully colonized I put it into fruiting. The only difference was I stacked on top of another clear tub and my light was off to the side. Therefore the bottom was getting quite a bit of light.

You wouldn't believe how many bottom pins that bastard got! There is no way the bot of that tub got fae. Also I have done tubs without liners before and they didn't bottom pin. I had them sitting on the floor though.

I would assume the same would apply to jars. Like I said speak from experience not what you heard. Don't feel bad I made this mistake too and gretch corrected me and I learned from it. I try to only give advice from personal experience now


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760266 - 08/26/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I am  speaking from more experience than you and if you don't want to hear RR decades of regurgitated bullshit research vs your cultivating experience I'll take his all day compared to your NOOb ass




:facepalm: Please stop acting like this. You are making it where the shroomery is not fun for me anymore. I don't like confrontation and it seems that is all you are about. Take it to otd


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760337 - 08/26/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambiant light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.





You guys been eating too much shit on the boards :smile: Look into The Mushroom Cultivator by Staments.  Look at all the threads with issues regarding light and invitro pinning :smile:

Cube myc does not require light to colonize, not one bit. Will it tolerate light? Sure, some, with what some would argue invitro pinning is problematic. Invitro pinning is exciting for some people.

Hey, if what he is doing is not working...why not try what I suggested? I will not hurt a thing, should help stop more invitro pinning if there are no other issues present.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Stromrider]
    #18760356 - 08/26/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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psillyshroomer said:
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ghostinthemist said:
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Gretchenmeister said:
Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambiant light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.




This is not incorrect. You guys on this site underestimate the effects of light on pinning. I have been experimenting with this ever since a read a post by gretch a while back.
Don't just regurgitate a bunch of info you heard. Speak from experience




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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18760366 - 08/26/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Gretchenmeister said:
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psillyshroomer said:
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ghostinthemist said:
Quote:

Gretchenmeister said:
Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambiant light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.




This is not incorrect. You guys on this site underestimate the effects of light on pinning. I have been experimenting with this ever since a read a post by gretch a while back.
Don't just regurgitate a bunch of info you heard. Speak from experience




:thumbup:




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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #18760367 - 08/26/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Gretchenmeister said:
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ghostinthemist said:
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Gretchenmeister said:
Ignore the pins and try to finish them in a completely dark environment. Give it a few days and see what happens.




that is incorrect.  Myce need light to grow and produce.  Taking a almost fully colonized cake that has had ambient light all of its life and putting into complete dark will allow for contams to take over and will harm the myce as well.  Look up DO MYCELIUM NEED LIGHT look for RR input somewhere and this will answer all your questions on light.





You guys been eating too much shit on the boards :smile: Look into The Mushroom Cultivator by Staments.  Look at all the threads with issues regarding light and invitro pinning :smile:

Cube myc does not require light to colonize, not one bit. Will it tolerate light? Sure, some, with what some would argue invitro pinning is problematic. Invitro pinning is exciting for some people.

Hey, if what he is doing is not working...why not try what I suggested? I will not hurt a thing, should help stop more invitro pinning if there are no other issues present.


Wow you are completely wrong.  PC is one of the most light needing types of mushrom.  you are spewing junk onto this poor thread.  Go read and come back.  There is only a few species that need no light and not a one is PC dont believe me post one link to a TC that says otherwise.


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Re: GT fruiting before colonization [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18760375 - 08/26/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

kubenzi said:
8 hours a day and you still got sufficeint growth..incredible
I think they really only need light for the pinning process, after that I think they can cruise on minimal hours of light. After all they only need light for the direction of growth.



That is absolutely wrong.  Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth.  Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.

Mushrooms turn towards the light because they are using it as a source of energy.  That's why mushrooms grown with the proper amount and spectrum of light grow much larger and heavier than mushrooms grown with insufficient light.  It's also why light is just as important during the growth phase as it is during the pinning stage.
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