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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: AWS]
#18760393 - 08/26/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: because it's funny in the heat of the moment.
But is it funny when you think it through?
Is joy joyful when you think it through?
Would it matter? No
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laughter is often the spontaneous result of some connection I've made in my mind, as opposed to analyzation which seems to come more after the fact. i don't give myself reasons to laugh, i just laugh.
Maybe you should question more and deeply so, why you laugh? 
Maybe you should stop shoulding on me :cranky:
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen]
#18760508 - 08/26/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is joy joyful when you think it through?
Euphoria or joy brings me the best memories and they feel sane when I think them through. Usually when I am euphoric my surroundings tend to get in good moods. Chasing such is reason to stay alive.
Would it matter? No
Why not?
Maybe you should stop shoulding on me :cranky:
I thought you would agree humour and laughter might not be healthy when you think about it. Avoiding humour should feel more rationale and sane to your mind IMO.
You obviously do what you want.
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liquidlounge said: Is joy joyful when you think it through?
Euphoria or joy brings me the best memories and they feel sane when I think them through. Usually when I am euphoric my surroundings tend to get in good moods. Chasing such is reason to stay alive.
Why couldn't the same be said about laughter? Couldn't laughter be seen as an extension or expression of joy?
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I thought you would agree humour and laughter might not be healthy when you think about it.
Running around in circles trying to think about it seems more insane than just straight up laughing. The cavemen would probably agree.
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Avoiding humour should feel more rationale and sane to your mind IMO.
Monkeys laugh. Should they too avoid humor in favor of this supposed "rationale"?
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen] 1
#18760660 - 08/26/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Apparently, when you tickle a rat, it produces ultrasonic sounds, which appear to be laughter.
Insanity!
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: liquidlounge] 1
#18760682 - 08/26/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your views show many cognitive biases. Generalisations- culture being built around winning or losing, culture in general being a loser culture, black and white glasses on- silliness is useless. Depressed people often have cognitive biases like those
As a musician, playing on instinct is crucial.
I can't keep this up but its given me great pause for thought about humour. Thanks.
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Silliness is useless
Good god. To think of a world without silliness. I wouldn't want to live.
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen]
#18762452 - 08/27/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why couldn't the same be said about laughter? Couldn't laughter be seen as an extension or expression of joy?
If you get the feeling of great pleasure and happiness, don't let me stop you, but consider what you laugh at till the very core. Laughter is ALWAYS directed towards losers, hence it's destructive.
Running around in circles trying to think about it seems more insane than just straight up laughing. The cavemen would probably agree.
What do you mean by running around in circles?
To ignore laughing when you question what you laugh at is not insanity. Acting on instincts is insanity, repetition.
Monkeys laugh. Should they too avoid humor in favor of this supposed "rationale"?
I don't know what the specific monkey you had in mind laugh at. I assume to know what my own monkey species laugh at though.
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Generalisations- culture being built around winning or losing, culture in general being a loser culture, black and white glasses on- silliness is useless.
Culture is all about winning and losing, picking up a shiny lady from the bar or getting the specific job. Be a winner and you control the surroundings.
Depressed people often have cognitive biases like those 
Do you want to help me out of it? Or do you simply say it to look down on me?
As a musician, playing on instinct is crucial.
I don't think so, musicians analyze and question what sounds better, whether in improvisation or recording/notes. Or else music would be very messy IMO.
I can't keep this up but its given me great pause for thought about humour. Thanks.
I appreciate your effort in making me defend my position.
Good god. To think of a world without silliness. I wouldn't want to live.
Again, not being silly does not automatically equal seriousness.
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liquidlounge said: Laughter is ALWAYS directed towards losers, hence it's destructive.
Always? When babies laugh, are they laughing at a perceived loser?
I can't help but think this is a joke. Silliness!
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen]
#18762487 - 08/27/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Always? When babies laugh, are they laughing at a perceived loser?
They are laughing at silliness and silliness is loser in culture and society.
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Just because you interpret it as silliness doesn't make it so.
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen]
#18762504 - 08/27/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Show me examples of humour and laughter that is not based on silliness.
A baby looking into the clear blue sky laughing is doing so thinking about something silly. Its ego says: "I am alive, I am great!", defense mechanism and shield against existence, heroism.
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Can something so real such as laughter be based on a single word and it's many possible interpretations?
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Culture is all about winning and losing, picking up a shiny lady from the bar or getting the specific job. Be a winner and you control the surroundings.
If you really believe that's what culture is about, then reject it. All the really matters is what you and your friends believe in. I do see what you mean, i despise the mainstream culture we are fed. It's hollow and cruel. But you can form your own culture with your friends, one where humour isnt used as a means of putting people down, its just used to have a good time. It's just messing around. Lets take the idea that if humour is used, the one using it is elated whilst the other is put down. If two people tell the same amount of jokes as eachother, they will reach equilibrium. I don't really mean to argue with you anyway. Increasingly i think you meant this less as a debate and more that you put this uo here because you genuinely do believe it, and if you do, i'm sorry.
Do you want to help me out of it? Or do you simply say it to look down on me? No i dont say it to look down on you. I have a lot of sympathy for you if you are depressed. But i can't help you out of it. No one usually can with depressed people, except good psychologists. The reason for that is that depression is an illness that effects your perception. No matter what you are told, you will always be seeing things through negative glasses. The very nature of the illness means that when most people try to help you see the bright side of life, an overactive part of your brain tries to immediately think of a negative over ruling. With respect, if you are depressed try and get help, because it will usually get worse if you dont.
I don't think so, musicians analyze and question what sounds better, whether in improvisation or recording/notes. Or else music would be very messy IMO. Are you a musician? Yes its true we do do that, especially with recording. But musicians- creative ones anyway definitely act on instinct, especially live. You don't analyse why you about to hit that note, you just fucking hit it. Your own definition of acting on instinct is not thinking things through. Sometimes you just dont want to think things through. Cause then all the other parts of your mind get in the way and you start trying to curtail what you are playing. Playing on instinct allows you to tap into raw emotion, which is very important in art.
I appreciate your effort in making me defend my position. That to me says you don't mean this as a debate? Defending your fixed position isn't what its about is it? Are you already certain you are right? If so, there is no need for this post.
Again, not being silly does not automatically equal seriousness.
You misunderstand, i wasn't talking about a serious world. I was literally just talking about a world without silliness. I still wouldn't want to live.
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liquidlounge said: Its ego says: "I am alive, I am great!", defense mechanism and shield against existence, heroism.
So then why destructive?
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen]
#18762887 - 08/27/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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blankk said: Can something so real such as laughter be based on a single word and it's many possible interpretations?
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Finding confidence in imbecile. Glorification of idiotic.
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I don't really mean to argue with you anyway. Increasingly i think you meant this less as a debate and more that you put this uo here because you genuinely do believe it, and if you do, i'm sorry.
Belief? This is true.
Type in "humourus" at youtube, there's the proof. If you do not agree, I would like you to present example/proof that show otherwise.
No i dont say it to look down on you.
Yes you do, why would you else post the following smiley after your sentence: ?
Are you a musician?
Not by the general definition. However, I would say that I start to fit this definition in Google's dictionary:
1. A person who is talented or skilled in music.
But musicians- creative ones anyway definitely act on instinct, especially live.
I don't agree, they use cognitive patterns to create melody and rhythm IMO. Musician is a broad term though, I am not sure what type of music you listen to.
You don't analyse why you about to hit that note, you just fucking hit it.
Simply hitting keys on the synth without building melodic and rhythmic relevance. Would this not make for a mess?
Sometimes you just dont want to think things through.
Not when you think about just that and the consequences which may occur regardless of your situation.
Playing on instinct allows you to tap into raw emotion, which is very important in art.
What defines raw emotion? Not thinking things through and acting on instinct? How is that an emotion?
That to me says you don't mean this as a debate? Defending your fixed position isn't what its about is it? Are you already certain you are right? If so, there is no need for this post.
I am assume to be certain of this but I want my position challenged to see if there is a hole in it based on the assumption of certainty.
My greeting was sincere.
You misunderstand, i wasn't talking about a serious world. I was literally just talking about a world without silliness. I still wouldn't want to live.
Silliness is by all means stupidity turned acceptable.
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Re: "Humour is destructive!"? [Re: Hobozen]
#18762992 - 08/27/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Its ego says: "I am alive, I am great!", defense mechanism and shield against existence, heroism.
So then why destructive?
It creates an illusion of non-fragility. As the baby grows it anxiously understands how fragile it really is and thus start creating new illusions to makeup existence.
Illusions are destructive.
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liquidlounge said: Its ego says: "I am alive, I am great!", defense mechanism and shield against existence, heroism.
So then why destructive?
It creates an illusion of non-fragility.
That is your subjective interpretation, btw.
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Hardly.
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