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Insomnia411
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Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate?
#18758012 - 08/26/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have seen somewhat often in both teks and in forum discussions the suggestion of waiting after your WBS jars are fully colonized before mixing with your bulk substrate. I have seen suggestions of waiting a few days up to a week. Is this really necessary? If so, what is the logic behind it? Or is this just outdated misinfo?
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LTSwoomz
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18758042 - 08/26/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is supposed to allow the mycelium a period of time to consolidate their hold on the substrate they're in. I've seen mixed information about whether it's necessary with WBS or not.
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18758048 - 08/26/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, that's definitely not outdated info. So basically two major things and a whole bunch of minor things are at play. Here are the major ones:
1. Giving it a week to colonize allows more of the substrate to be digested and stored within the mycelium, which means it has more energy available to it to put out a good flush.
2. Many mushrooms, and cubensis is no exception, fruit better (if at all) when they sense that their nutrient source has been depleted. Full colonization is a fruiting trigger, and I'm sure you've heard that before. Allowing a week for consolidation makes sure the mycelium is aware of the situation before you expose it to fruiting conditions, optimizing your flush.
If you birth it early, it will often take just as long to figure out it's hit a wall when it comes to finding more nutrients, and the whole time it's been losing moisture to evaporation so you get bruising and a crappy flush due to your cakes lacking the water to make fruitbodies.
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Psilicon]
#18758139 - 08/26/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's talking about consolidating the grains, not the bulk substrate.
I'm pretty sure you're just supposed to spawn to bulk as soon as the grains are colonized. The consolidation period starts after the bulk is at 100%
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: San]
#18758189 - 08/26/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would always let my jars chill for about 4 or 5 days after visibly fully colonized. Bc. when spawning as soon as it looks 100% i have come across non colonized portions in the middle. Patience, virtue etc. etc.
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
#18758215 - 08/26/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are shaking your jars properly when they are about 20 to 30perc colonized than it will be fully colonized inside and out at the same time. There is no need to let grains consolidate before spawning to bulk. You want to spawn it as soon as it is 100 percent so that you are spawning young healthy vigorous mycelium.
Think about it. If you let it consolidate the grains it is going to be preparing to fruit when you spawn it. That is not what you want. You want it to still be in colonization phase because it still needs to colonize the bulk substrate. That's how I think about it anyway
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Stromrider]
#18758253 - 08/26/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my experience if you spawn as soon as they hit 100% it takes a few extra days after spawning for full colonization of the spawn and fruiting. But YMMV, all depends on your method, substrate, bulk substrate, strain and all that. For example, brazilians are one of the fastest colonizers I have ever seen, Ive seen brazilians colonize a quart jar from MS in less that 12 days. 7 days or less with LC or G2G transfer.
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18758284 - 08/26/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just to clarify, yes San is right, I'm referring to spawning to bulk, sorry if I worded my title poorly. As in, while still in the jars, should I wait for a while before spawning.
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Re: Full colonized WBS jars - wait a week before mixing with bulk substrate? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18758324 - 08/26/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spawning right when the jars have reached 100% colonization is fine, consolidation is only necessary for cakes; I prefer spawning before the wbs starts to consolidate, at that point it's a pain in the ass to break the grains up inside the jar.
I've spawned jars the day they have reached full colonization and I've also let them sit almost 2 weeks... the jars were pinning and I noticed no real difference in the amount of time it took the spawn to colonize the substrate.
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