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Offlinebalercia79
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Shaky 25i trip
    #18756370 - 08/25/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Last weekend my girl and I tripped on 25i(1200ug blotters) and 25c(1000ug blotters) with a little dmt in the mix. Everything went smoothly and I had three hits of 25i left over so we took those this weekend.

Last time we had taken one tab of each so I figured taking a tab and a half of the 25i wouldn't be a big deal. After gumming the paper for about 45 minutes the first thing both of us felt was nausea. We both puked pretty hard, but other drugs have made us puke before so we didn't make a big deal of it.

After the pukefest came the shaking. I was able to keep mine under control, though it was a constant, conscious effort. My girl on the other hand couldn't control hers. Her legs just kept involuntarily kicking about and her stomach muscles were steadily twitching.

The only way she could keep her shaking somewhat under control was to stand up and walk around. But about an hour into the trip her knees started to go out. She looked like she was laid out the way mdma will do you sometimes.

By now we were both getting really strong visuals and my head space was pretty clear. When we went out to the back yard the flat ground looked stepped in a very convincing way. There were lots of geometric patterns and colors were extremely enhanced. But still my thinking was pretty clear.

So she couldn't stand any longer and we had to go lay down. Her trembling actually subsided for a while, but then came back. This cycle would continue for the rest of the night. She was handling it pretty well. Her thinking wasn't as clear as mine though. I asked her where she was born and when her daughter was born and she couldn't answer either question. That's when I got seriously concerned. Because her mental faculties were in such sharp contrast to my own.

I got her a Xanax because I know that benzos will deteriorate most psychedelic effects. This only made her delirium worse and I was starting to think hospital. Not because I was freaking out, my thinking was on point, but because I've seen her handle a plethora of psychedelics before and nothing had ever gotten on top of her like this.

I ask if she wants to go to the doctor, she will have none of it. So I ran her a lukewarm bath and got her into it and it got her a little more responsive and she started drinking more water and actually ate a pack of peanut butter crackers. Finally my worries eased some as she started talking again and was once again able to stand and walk on her own. This was around the three hour mark.

As I mentioned before, while all of this was going on I was fighting off my own shakes trying to be there for her. This was NOT a fun night.

So even though I don't plan on re-visiting this drug, I do have a few questions for people more experienced with nbome's, 25i in particular.

* Is there that much difference in a 1200ug dose and an 1800ug dose?

* Is shaking a common side effect of 25i?

* Does it sound like the blotters were unevenly laid since 1 tab was no big deal but 1.5 tabs was a nightmare? (the tabs we took last weekend were from one end of the strip and these were from the other end)

All I can say is be careful with this stuff. As for me and mine, never again. Thanks!


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: balercia79]
    #18759507 - 08/26/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I had really bad tremors\shaking during my come up on 25i so much so that i thought it was bordering an epileptic attack seizure ,....my legs were for sure kicking about and my whole body trembled.
no more 25i for me ,...


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: synthtripper]
    #18766509 - 08/27/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Benzodiazepines should help with this.

So will not taking NBOMe's.


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: balercia79]
    #18766558 - 08/27/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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* Is there that much difference in a 1200ug dose and an 1800ug dose?

* Is shaking a common side effect of 25i?

* Does it sound like the blotters were unevenly laid since 1 tab was no big deal but 1.5 tabs was a nightmare? (the tabs we took last weekend were from one end of the strip and these were from the other end)

All I can say is be careful with this stuff. As for me and mine, never again. Thanks!



1800ug is a massive dose for most people. Shaking is a common side effect of many psychedelics. So is mindfuck. Remember, 1/2 is the difference between 4 grams and six grams, and the dose curve is steeper than for something like mushrooms. Don't dose that high.

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balercia79 said:
I asked her where she was born and when her daughter was born and she couldn't answer either question.



Those are really heavy things to ask a person who is tripping balls. The ideas and associations and thoughts and memories and mindfuck that those questions would bring up in someone tripping hard... I'm not surprised she didn't answer.


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: nooneman]
    #18768868 - 08/28/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone who trys NBOME's should always use caution because there have been a solid ammount of OD's on the such stance. That being said, the difference from 1200ug and 1800ug is pretty large seeing as an average dose(to my knowledge) is 750-1000ug. As far as the trembling, that's pretty normal, when I take 25i I always have shivers/mild twitching on the come-up but it always seems to dissipate once the visuals start to appear! The only thing I find odd is that 25i tolerance builds up QUICK, I usually wait at least 2 weeks for that reason O.o


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: SpacemanChris042]
    #18788199 - 09/02/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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* Is there that much difference in a 1200ug dose and an 1800ug dose?



Yes.
I've frequently taken 1200ug but had a friend take two of dose and he was completely paralysed for hours on end.

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* Is shaking a common side effect of 25i?



Yes.
Although I'm not sure I understand what kind of shaking you mean. I usually have a lot of energy in my legs, especially when listening to music. When drawing, I often cannot control my hands because they're too shaky (resulting in some goofy drawings though!). But yes, it's perfectly normal. Maybe put on some active music and try dancing it away?

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* Does it sound like the blotters were unevenly laid since 1 tab was no big deal but 1.5 tabs was a nightmare? (the tabs we took last weekend were from one end of the strip and these were from the other end)



Refer to question one: dosage above 1200ug start to make big differences quickly.
Splitting tabs isn't a great idea as they could've been unevenly laid, yes, but that is not the fault of the provider as he assumes you will be taking an entire tab, not a half.
If you want to take half, you should just order half the dose per tab.

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I asked her where she was born and when her daughter was born and she couldn't answer either question.



Asking questions is not a good idea. It's not that her mind isn't clear, it's just that it's difficult to answer as your speech ability gets distorted by 25i. I often have this; I can no longer speak coherently or I get stuck in mind loops trying to find the answer.

Ironically, if I were to be forced to talk to a sane person, I could easily have a normal conversation and they wouldn't suspect a thing. It's just that you behave differently if you know the other person asking questions is tripping too.


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The only thing I find odd is that 25i tolerance builds up QUICK, I usually wait at least 2 weeks for that reason O.o



True that.
Tolerance can be a bitch, especially cross-tolerance. 25i sadly is famous for this. Although from my own experience, I'd say waiting a week is enough, 10 days at most. Waiting longer (+4 weeks) will give you a bit extra, but personally I don't think it's worth it if you're enjoying 25i too much :laugh:


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: balercia79]
    #18795650 - 09/03/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the info guys. Very friendly and informative. I have since done some reading on 25i and turns out there was an overdose death in my town last year. I honestly didn't think taking just an extra half would make that much of a difference. I guess I was (wrongly) thinking how taking 1.5 hits vs 1 hit of LSD isn't really a big deal. Like I said though, I'm over experimenting with 25i and urge all who do choose to take it to use caution.

Lucy Love-- That advice was priceless!!


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: balercia79]
    #18797850 - 09/04/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's really a wonderful substance given you take care and get familiar with its effects though. People just aren't giving it enough credit because of how it often gets sold as LSD and it's much easier to OD on this stuff. I have a friend who was obsessed with 25i and kept trying to take higher doses. Well, 2400ug was heavy but ok, but then he took 3600ug and he turned uncontrollable and he was taken to the hospital, ODing on this stuff is serious, it can actually kill you.

I'd say read up a lot and just start out easy, have a nice setting and just laugh any physical bothers away. I had been doing 25i for an entire year, tripping every 2 weeks and just recently quit. It was great but find a dose you like, I say not more than 1200ug and you will have a wacky trip for sure :thumbup:


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: excalibur127]
    #18798853 - 09/04/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"My girl on the other hand couldn't control hers. Her legs just kept involuntarily kicking about and her stomach muscles were steadily twitching."

i had a really bad trip like that once, we had bunk acid. It was like every muscle in my body would twitch. I was fucked up, yeah, i definately felt abnormal but it was almost a feeling of death was coming over me hahaha. my guy didn't experience the twitches as bad as me, he was somewhat nauseas but i had even thrown up a few times as well.

had it not been for the Harry Potter marathon on that night, i was convinced i was goingn to die.


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18798899 - 09/04/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Vasoconstriction can cause twitching due to muscle blood flow loss iirc
it can also cause numbness in hands,feet,arms (and gangrene in severe cases...)

and 25i  is a pretty potent vasoconstrictor, quite a bit more than LSD IME

I had trouble from just 600ug for several days after the trip, numb arms/hands/feet , lasted 3-5 days or so
pain in feet was so bad I couldn't sleep some days after

with 25i you shouldn't redose up more than +20% each time IMO
there is much difference in a 20% redosing

1200ug vs 1800ug is a big difference
I would have redosed to 1400-1500ug

Be careful with the 25i , I'm not sure what would have happened to me if I took the whole 1000ug blotter... and I've tripped LSD in high doses/very high doses 150 times+shrooms maybe 30-50 times (cant remember)
Very unpleasant body effects on just 600ug the whole trip for me... destroyed the whole trip, but hardly any visuals....
DOx bodyload was better than 25i lol (and there I got the needles in body feeling a few times)

google 25i-nbome + erowid  , read it all, but I'm sure you have already done before doing 25i?

1800ug is an overdose according to erowid.... 1500ug is max for strong dose
unless you know your body tolerates 25i better than most other people's, then you might be able to do 1800ug

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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: lessismore]
    #18798954 - 09/04/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

balercia79 said:
I asked her where she was born and when her daughter was born and she couldn't answer either question.



either she tripped balls, or more likely (because of the dose) : delerium (wikipedia it)

delerium often results in coma/death

be careful with those doses...

people have died from 25i from taking 2 drops of it(healthy people)

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=94953
a report of a hospital stay from taking 1 drop of 25i-nbome

people react differently to it, there is a report of a hospital stay from 550ug too
can't be careful enough..


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: balercia79]
    #18844023 - 09/15/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

recently dropped 3 doses of what i now assume is 25i. i just felt like i needed to walk somewhere ALL THE TIME. could not chill out. out of this world regardless


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Re: Shaky 25i trip [Re: balercia79]
    #19170537 - 11/21/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I did 3000ugs and I experienced some shakiness and twitching but after smoking some herb and drinking water it really helped me.

Also I did some stretching.


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