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Periscope
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Noob-advice welcome!
#18755752 - 08/25/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys. I looked around a bit, wondering what's the best strain and method for growing in a small stealthy kinda way. Not planning on bulk or anything. Not yet anyway.also wondering.. what does invitro mean? I read a thread saying that mexicana or something was a good strain for beginners? What is scolertia and what is stones? Sorry for being a mega noob. Any links or advice is welcome. Thanks bros and sis
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: Periscope]
#18755850 - 08/25/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could have EASILY searched all of these. Stealth = PF TEK. Invitro = Fruiting inside of the jar/container they were colonized in (I might be wrong about this one). No, go for Psilocybe cubensis, a VERY forgiving mushroom. You could mess up almost everything and they'll still grow for you. Sclerotium and/or stones are a compact mass of hardened mycelium. They contain the same thing that mushroom do, psilocybin.
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Periscope
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: d9c6]
#18755881 - 08/25/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most likely going with the pf tek. I did get confused about sterilizing the substrate jars. Can either boiling in a pot or pressure cooker be used? Or only pressure cooker. I got lost there
Edited by Periscope (08/25/13 04:56 PM)
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: Periscope]
#18755993 - 08/25/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Both work fine. I used a pot as I don't have a PC. Just place some jar lids around the bottom or something that will keep the jars elevated. Then place a sheet of foil over those jar lids. Now you need to fill the pot with water just enough to get right underneath the foil layer. Now place your jars countdown 90-120 minutes on a slow boil. On my stove it'll stay boiling around 2-3.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: d9c6]
#18756029 - 08/25/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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the most stealthy way possible would be sclerotia the fruit right in the jars although they dont look very appealing they will get the job done mexicana is a sclerotia producer after you harvest the stones you can spawn the myc to bulk.
Edited by kinkaku (08/25/13 05:10 PM)
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: kinkaku]
#18756157 - 08/25/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pressure cooker is a need, my first attempt many years ago was in a pot of boiling water. We cooked them down for 4 hours, it was a total waste of time. Had a 40% contamination rate. If your doing a small batch I suggest PF tech 10 jars with either Koh Samui SS, or B+, both are good beginner cubes. B+ seems to be much more fool proof.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: Sockadin]
#18756248 - 08/25/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck that. Stone producers good for a noob. How ridiculous!
As for stealthy grow... pf tek. Or search chicken coffin tek.
Variety of cube you should get, golden teachers all the way man. B+ has had sterility issues and lack of potency before. Check out Cervantes' journal. And the koh samui... Try to stay away from big fruiters. They drain the cake quickly.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: blojo02184]
#18756279 - 08/25/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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blojo02184 said: Fuck that. Stone producers good for a noob. How ridiculous!
As for stealthy grow... pf tek. Or search chicken coffin tek.
Variety of cube you should get, golden teachers all the way man. B+ has had sterility issues and lack of potency before. Check out Cervantes' journal. And the koh samui... Try to stay away from big fruiters. They drain the cake quickly.
why do you say fuck that bro? did you had bad luck with stones? they are easy and for a noob that wants to keep the secret a jar of stones is easyer to hide than pf teks
this is not my opinion:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10605734/fpart/1/vc/1 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11140509/fpart/all/vc/1
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Edited by NagualaPawer (08/25/13 06:02 PM)
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kinkaku
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: blojo02184]
#18756297 - 08/25/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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blojo02184 said: Fuck that. Stone producers good for a noob. How ridiculous!
As for stealthy grow... pf tek. Or search chicken coffin tek.
Variety of cube you should get, golden teachers all the way man. B+ has had sterility issues and lack of potency before. Check out Cervantes' journal. And the koh samui... Try to stay away from big fruiters. They drain the cake quickly.
are you serious? you're going to sit there and tell him that innoculating a jar and letting it sit for a couple of months is harder then buying all the pf tek stuff mixing it up right and trying to get the right moisture content? then in a couple weeks buying a tub and perlite and having to make a fruiting chamber to certain specifacations? all this work on a noob's shoulders all the while not being very stealthy.
no sclerotia is all around more stealthy and noob friendly annnnnnd said noob gets to learn about grain preperation which 9 times out of ten new growers move onto right after pf tek.also like I said you can fruit sclerotia producers if you wanted to before or after the coming of the stones
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Periscope
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: Sockadin]
#18756338 - 08/25/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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D9c6 in your experience with boiling is there high contamination?
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San
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Doesn't the substrate needed for stones require more rigorous sterilization?
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kinkaku
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: San]
#18756382 - 08/25/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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San said: Doesn't the substrate needed for stones require more rigorous sterilization?
nope go at it like any other grow
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: Periscope]
#18756424 - 08/25/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Periscope said: D9c6 in your experience with boiling is there high contamination?
Absolutely not. I boiled 15 jars. All of them colonized nicely. Haven't lost one to contam yet and all are in the FC at this very moment. If you boil correctly and don't cut any corners you'll be golden.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: d9c6]
#18756472 - 08/25/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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True, it is easier to hide a couple quart jars than a fruiting chamber. true, he learns grain preparation before the pf tek this way.
False, you need to pressure cook your grains before inoculation. Steam sterilization is only partial. Has it been done with success? Yes. Is it recommended? No. 8 hours for sterile berries.
I only say this cause I've already asked the question. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18573000#18573000
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Periscope
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: d9c6]
#18756498 - 08/25/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what is a stone? Are you saying you eat a by product? And mushrooms? I'm complete noob haha. I have a mushroom supply store near me so I'm good there. And following the pf tek looks simple enough
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: Periscope]
#18756512 - 08/25/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Periscope said: So what is a stone? Are you saying you eat a by product? And mushrooms? I'm complete noob haha. I have a mushroom supply store near me so I'm good there. And following the pf tek looks simple enough
A stone is a hard mass of the mycelium. If you go grains with a stone producing species, you'll have to let the jars sit for a few months. Once you're satisfied with your "stones," you can break up your grains and take all of the stones out and use the grains as a spawn to a bulk substrate (coir/verm, hpoo, etc.) Also, if you do grains you NEED a PC. When I said I boiled w/o contam I'm doing BRF cakes. With grains it will be more of a 50%-100% failure without a PC.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: d9c6]
#18756531 - 08/25/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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search for "easier than cubes", you'll be glad you did.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: invitro]
#18756622 - 08/25/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just start thinking of reasons why you need a pressure cooker, and stones are a stones throw away.
My advice, pf tek, fruited inside a 2/3 liter bottle with perlite and holes. Or the chicken coffin tek. Or the kitty litter box method. Or go with stones.
I find that a pressure cooker is pretty conspicuous. The OP wanted sneaky. That's my thoughts. No mean to offend. Just logical thinking.
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Re: Noob-advice welcome! [Re: blojo02184]
#18756665 - 08/25/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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blojo02184 said: True, it is easier to hide a couple quart jars than a fruiting chamber. true, he learns grain preparation before the pf tek this way.
False, you need to pressure cook your grains before inoculation. Steam sterilization is only partial. Has it been done with success? Yes. Is it recommended? No. 8 hours for sterile berries.
I only say this cause I've already asked the question. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18573000#18573000
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blojo02184 said: Just start thinking of reasons why you need a pressure cooker, and stones are a stones throw away.
My advice, pf tek, fruited inside a 2/3 liter bottle with perlite and holes. Or the chicken coffin tek. Or the kitty litter box method. Or go with stones.
I find that a pressure cooker is pretty conspicuous. The OP wanted sneaky. That's my thoughts. No mean to offend. Just logical thinking.
Tyndallization may be the way to go if no pressure cooker, more guarantees but at a cost.
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blojo02184
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True, more money solves all our issues 
Here's a link on tynllization... At the bottom rr tells us, "boil your grains for 8hours all at once. You will need a second pot of boiling water to add when necessary."
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17045779#17045779
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