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The life society dictates for us
    #18755829 - 08/25/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children

It seems to me this is basically the five step recipe for life as our society teaches us.

How many of these things have you done? Do you plan on doing all of them?  Are there some you do not want to do?

And for those of you have done some or all of these things, how happy has it made you? Do you feel fulfilled?

What, if anything, is missing from this list?

Is this really the recipe for the life well lived? Or is it totally misguided?

If you could make an alternative list of essential life steps, what would it be?

I think the protagonist of Fight Club gives a rant about essentially this, how our parents tell us to follow these steps but in the end its not really clear why and perhaps there is no essential meaning or fulfillment to the accomplishment of these goals.

I would love to hear your thoughts, feelings and reflections on this life path. If you have done these things, do you feel fulfilled or ripped off? If you have not done these things, do you want to? If not, what are you going to do instead?

When you have done all of these, what comes next?



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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755838 - 08/25/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

life is about the journey not the destination


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Sheekle]
    #18755847 - 08/25/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm 1 for 5 so far and don't see the others happening anytime soon.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Murph] * 4
    #18755870 - 08/25/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This really has nothing to do with society. It comes from our biology and is present through the animal kingdom. The parallel path for other organisms is something like this:

1/2. grow up and make yourself useful in some role within your group of fellow organisms or learn how to live on your own
3. find a mate
4. find shelter
5. have children

It's just how any form of life goes throughout their lifespan. There's always a growth period, then a mating period. :shrug:


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755879 - 08/25/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck society and fuck money to. we are the only speicies that "needs" money to survive
we could all easily live off the land


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #18755889 - 08/25/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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JoieDeVivre said:
This really has nothing to do with society. It comes from our biology and is present through the animal kingdom. The parallel path for other organisms is something like this:

1/2. grow up and make yourself useful in some role within your group of fellow organisms or learn how to live on your own
3. find a mate
4. find shelter
5. have children

It's just how any form of life goes throughout their lifespan. There's always a growth period, then a mating period. :shrug:




If its rooted in biology, why is it that so many people do not follow this path?

The emphasis on  career and home ownership are certainly influenced by culture and society. Some choose to rent and not buy a home. Some people choose to travel from place to place rather than settling in one place. Some people choose to have a string of casual sexual relationships rather than get married. Some people choose not to have children, while some have many. Some people drop out of high school, some get PhDs.

I think you need to recognize that biology alone cannot account for this drastic range of different life choices, and social and cultural factors must play a role.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755898 - 08/25/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant]
    #18755910 - 08/25/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end




Ok, cool, but how does one serve god? How do you serve god? Which God do you serve?


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant]
    #18755915 - 08/25/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you live to serve, doesn't that make you a slave?


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755916 - 08/25/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Individual differences are obviously what account for the drastic range of different life choices. (Which I think also gets down to biology, because your individual biology influences your preferences, drive, desires, etc. For example the casual sex thing might be linked to oxytocin and vasopressin receptors in the brain - in voles there have been studies that show that if vasopressin receptors are increased, then voles who are naturally polyamorous become monogamous.) :shrug:

I was just saying biology is in fact what dictates that general path. Economics is what really leads to the emphasis on a career, because those who want their offspring to do well (which is a biological drive) need to be able to provide a good life for said offspring which requires financial stability in most human societies for much of human history. :shrug:

I dunno, society plays some role obviously but I think it's largely a biological imperative.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755933 - 08/25/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Very interesting thread. I've noticed a lot of people I'm close to give up their dreams for financial stability. Or quit enjoying their lives because their job has sent them spiraling into depression. I know a lot of that stuff is necessary but what's the point in working to live and living to work?

Sadly, I'm jobless and about to be financially fucked. Without these things, I really can't get anywhere (by society's standards) but even without them, I can pursue other things that give me fulfillment. Ultimately, I just want to live simply, and simply live. I have no desire for a fancy ass car, 'top of the line' job, or any of these other things that are so popularized by everyone.


If I can get by without day to day stress, I'm good to go.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755935 - 08/25/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Quote:

YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end




Ok, cool, but how does one serve god? How do you serve god? Which God do you serve?




Keep the commandments.

And The Father is the God I serve.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant] * 2
    #18755943 - 08/25/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

nobody dictates that for you. You live in Canada, you're almost as free as we are in America. You're always free to do whatever the fuck you want, as long as you don't get yourself put into prison or killed.

in any case most people find that having a satisfying work and family life actually makes for the best overall life quality in general.

the book of Ecclesiastes has a lot of good stuff to say on this


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Brakepad] * 2
    #18755948 - 08/25/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Fuck society and fuck money to. we are the only speicies that "needs" money to survive
we could all easily live off the land



Go ahead.  By the way, get the fuck off the internet.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Sheekle]
    #18755957 - 08/25/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
life is about the journey not the destination




This. All roads meet the same end so it's best to take the road you enjoy best

As for the OP, I plan on doing all of those but not because society tells me to. Education only because I love what I'm studying. Job because I need to be active to combat my depression. Home because I need isolation (I'm an introvert). Children because I want to bring something good into the world (meaning I'm hoping to raise them so they can make a difference). Married is the only thing in iffy on. Sometimes I debate whether im meant for relationships.

But anyways, I hope none of these actually become the main focus in my life. They are by far not the road to happiness


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18755958 - 08/25/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
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YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end




Ok, cool, but how does one serve god? How do you serve god? Which God do you serve?



each person serves God in his own way. There is no service to any God but God. One may think that one is serving something else, but in fact one is serving God. One does not have a choice. God will turn your actions so that they serve his purposes whether you intended for them to or not. Intention, however, makes all the difference when it comes to the state of your personal soul.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: morrowasted]
    #18755960 - 08/25/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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nobody dictates that for you. You live in Canada, you're almost as free as we are in America. You're always free to do whatever the fuck you want, as long as you don't get yourself put into prison or killed.

in any case most people find that having a satisfying work and family life actually makes for the best overall life quality in general.

the book of Ecclesiastes has a lot of good stuff to say on this




Funny you should mention ecclesiastes. Because that very book tells us what the purpose of man is. Read carefully and understand.

Ecclesiastes 12:13

King James Version (KJV)

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant]
    #18755961 - 08/25/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end



There is no god save zappa.  Worship his hot rats of glory and know piece.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant]
    #18755980 - 08/25/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

YSHServant said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Quote:

YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end




Ok, cool, but how does one serve god? How do you serve god? Which God do you serve?




Keep the commandments.

And The Father is the God I serve.



:dawerp:


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18755983 - 08/25/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end



There is no god save zappa.  Worship his hot rats of glory and know piece.




"peace"

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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant]
    #18755986 - 08/25/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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There is only one purpose to life.

1. To serve God MAN

The end




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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18755991 - 08/25/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I used to be really into fight club and its way of thinking. But slowly over time I've come to the realization that its easier just not to fight it. Yeah it may be meaningless but I really enjoy being comfortable and would like to have my own hosue, also don't want to be working shit jobs my whole life gotta get an education. Also don't want to fap my wrist off forever and I don't have it in me to keep pumping my soul into sluts at parties so gotta find a girl I actually like.... The kids thing is a bridge I'll cross when I get there though.

Also all this god talk :puke:

Id much rather serve Zappa than that asshole in the bible though :smug:


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18755995 - 08/25/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children




6.  Get divorced, lose home, lose children in custody battle

7.  Pay child support for 18 years


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756007 - 08/25/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children




6.  Get divorced, lose home, lose children in custody battle

7.  Pay child support for 18 years



This reminds me of a joke I heard once

"There are 4 stages of fucking in a marriage.

1: You fuck everywhere
2: You fuck only in your bedroom
3: You stop fucking
4: You get fucked by your spouse and their lawyer in the courtroom"


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #18756025 - 08/25/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You live in Canada, you're almost as free as we are in America.



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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant] * 2
    #18756030 - 08/25/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end




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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #18756031 - 08/25/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Individual differences are obviously what account for the drastic range of different life choices. (Which I think also gets down to biology, because your individual biology influences your preferences, drive, desires, etc. For example the casual sex thing might be linked to oxytocin and vasopressin receptors in the brain - in voles there have been studies that show that if vasopressin receptors are increased, then voles who are naturally polyamorous become monogamous.) :shrug:

I was just saying biology is in fact what dictates that general path. Economics is what really leads to the emphasis on a career, because those who want their offspring to do well (which is a biological drive) need to be able to provide a good life for said offspring which requires financial stability in most human societies for much of human history. :shrug:

I dunno, society plays some role obviously but I think it's largely a biological imperative.




The casual sex thing is linked to the hedonistic urge to fuck.  It relates to the lifting of a western taboo.  Fucking is fun.

The emphasis on career?  I didn't see that.  Just get a fucking job and take care of yourself.  Or go native.  You gotta eat.  That's a biological imperative.

Buying a house?  Eh.  Not for everyone and certainly not necessary

Lots of people do without reproducing.  I had no urge to.  Where's the biology?


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756034 - 08/25/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children




6.  Get divorced, lose home, lose children in custody battle

7.  Pay child support for 18 years




yeah idk if i'd say 18 years, but this is what happens to many people who forget to put

fall in love, and live happily ever after on to there list.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18756037 - 08/25/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children





1,2,4 yes :-)

it didn't make me feel better, only worse, even when I excelled at job and earned a lot and got my education

felt like something was missing

then I did psychedelics and found what was missing

my connection with myself, nature and my creative/spiritual side

now I can be happy without having anything

and removed all worries, I can now be without thinking how to be, and have fun at any time no matter what other people think

before I was never happy, had almost lost all hope in life, no joy
worked studied and slept, for the past many years , forgot most/all social activities due to stress

the more you have the more you fear losing it, and the less you appreciate what you have often
the less you have the more you appreciate what you have often

but we only lose what we are attached to
let it all go, live now in the moment without worries, realize you have everything

society doesn't work that way

once you turn 25-30 you're almost supposed to have girlfriend,children, house, car, important job, a phd etc.
everybody is in such a rush...  you always get asked about it..
I don't even need any of those things right now
just need to be myself :-)

any job is fine, a nonstressing job is often the best work, so you can function afterwards
compared to sitting in a cubicle with 4 different bosses you don't know all day, working 70-80 hours a week, eating pizzas all day and destroying your health, and forgetting to live due to stress


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756040 - 08/25/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children




6.  Get divorced, lose home, lose children in custody battle

7.  Pay child support for 18 years




I can check 'em all off.  Well, I didn't lose the home.  We just sold it.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18756041 - 08/25/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

abltsandwich said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children




6.  Get divorced, lose home, lose children in custody battle

7.  Pay child support for 18 years




I can check 'em all off.  Well, I didn't lose the home.  We just sold it.




split the money or what? im curious.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18756042 - 08/25/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end



There is no god save zappa.  Worship his hot rats of glory and know piece.




"peace"

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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: morrowasted]
    #18756045 - 08/25/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I like the song better. Turn, Turn, Turn...



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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Legend]
    #18756050 - 08/25/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There is only one purpose to life.

1. To serve God MAN

The end






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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Legend]
    #18756060 - 08/25/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you guys agree that society basically teaches us that we should all follow essentially the same path through life?

And would you agree that this path has the following clearly identifiable steps?

1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children




6.  Get divorced, lose home, lose children in custody battle

7.  Pay child support for 18 years




I can check 'em all off.  Well, I didn't lose the home.  We just sold it.




split the money or what? im curious.



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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18756068 - 08/25/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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There is only one purpose to life.

1. To serve God MAN

The end






That was a cookbook




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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Legend]
    #18756079 - 08/25/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Legend said:
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YSHServant said:
There is only one purpose to life.

1. To serve God MAN

The end






That was a cookbook




:wink:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18756171 - 08/25/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

1. Get an education - Not financially possible right now but I'm trying to save up. Might actually start selling all my things and living a bare-necessities lifestyle until I have enough for the deposit.

2. Get a job - My first and last job really shook me up in a bad way and it's still affecting me. I still want to earn a living but I'm trying to come up with other means of doing that that doesn't involve being the personal verbal punching bag of some bitter miserable manager.

3. Get married -  This I want to do. Nothing fancy or lavish, just the basics.

4. Buy a home - I would want a home at some point but no idea how I would go about getting one.

5. Have children - Not here. Many people in this country look ill all the time, drink way too much and act crazy kind of selfish and disrespectful (and train their own children to be the same at a very early age). Not the best environment for raising a healthy happy child.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18756190 - 08/25/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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5. Have children - Not here. People in this country look ill all the time and act crazy. Not the best environment for raising a healthy happy child.




:lol: what country do you live in with so many ill looking people that raising children is a bad idea?  Sounds like bizaro world


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756217 - 08/25/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Society doesn't dictate anything, you can do whatever you like.
you need to live with the consequences ofc...


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Impulze]
    #18756224 - 08/25/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Society doesn't dictate anything, you can do whatever you like.
you need to live with the consequences ofc...




Society dictates that there are consequences to live with.`


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756260 - 08/25/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said::lol: what country do you live in with so many ill looking people that raising children is a bad idea?  Sounds like bizaro world




I'm probably just being picky, everywhere is probably like that to a degree. But in the UK it seems to be all I ever see. You can normally tell the type but it's hard to describe because I'm tired. I've been to a few other countries and everyone seems to have some colour about them, they smile more, say hello, and seem fitter and more robust. Even in America where they have a stereotype for the fat and lazy, even the overweight people seemed to have a glow of health about them that poeple over here just don't have. The lifestyle seemed healthier too, less focus on getting absolutely blindingly mashed every weekend. There's a social pressure to be the biggest bitch/dick as if it's cool and will earn social credit and sadly they never quite grow up and pass on this ideal to their children.

Of course not everyone over here is like that but even those that aren't seem exhausted and depressed by life in general.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: vinsue]
    #18756268 - 08/25/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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morrowasted said:...the book of Ecclesiastes has a lot of good stuff to say on this




I like the song better. Turn, Turn, Turn...



:jamming: . . . :peace:


they exerpted a small part of the book. they forgot the conclusion


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756283 - 08/25/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Society doesn't dictate anything, you can do whatever you like.
you need to live with the consequences ofc...




Society dictates that there are consequences to live with.`




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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18756307 - 08/25/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ive done all of them and let me tell ya it aint so great..

beside the kid and the home.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18756358 - 08/25/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children


How many of these things have you done? Do you plan on doing all of them?  Are there some you do not want to do?



I sure as fuck am not getting married again. Ever. Marriage is possibly one of the worst things ever invented.

Fuck. That. Shit.

I'd like to own my own home, but it's all a matter of credit and income these days. I don't know if I'll ever qualify, or if I do it'll probably be for some shitty cheap ass home that I won't even want. Apartments are pretty cool anyway.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: nooneman]
    #18756541 - 08/25/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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1. Get an education

2. Get a job

3. Get married

4. Buy a home

5. Have children


How many of these things have you done? Do you plan on doing all of them?  Are there some you do not want to do?



I sure as fuck am not getting married again. Ever. Marriage is possibly one of the worst things ever invented.

Fuck. That. Shit.

I'd like to own my own home, but it's all a matter of credit and income these days. I don't know if I'll ever qualify, or if I do it'll probably be for some shitty cheap ass home that I won't even want. Apartments are pretty cool anyway.





Care to share anything about your experience with marriage?


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18756640 - 08/25/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So far I have done four of the five things.

I love being married, but I am still young and I know that marriages often go sour down the road. My parents were married 35 years before they got an ugly divorce, so I do not take anything for granted, but I love my wife and I love being married. So far.

I love owning a home but I never would have taken on a mortgage. That amount of debt scares me. I lucked out and got a free house. Never saw that coming.

I got three university degrees and a college certificate, and that I  am really glad I did. I enjoyed it for its own sake, and it gives me a sense of pride and accomplishment. If I had to pay for it myself and go in to debt to do it I doubt I would have done it though.

As for a job, I work full time at a low paying job that has no prestige but is super easy, relaxing and gives me tons of free time to read, write or do whatever I want, which I enjoy, and its low stress and gives me enough money to live on.

But I will never have children. Children are a massive financial drain, a massive drain on time and energy, and heavily constrain your freedom to do things like travel, etc. Every child costs like a quarter million dollars to raise, plus sucks the life out of you in terms of time and energy. I like to think that by not having four children its like a million dollars in the bank, that I can use to get a PhD, travel the world and buy a cabin someday, if things work out.

The one thing I think should be on the list that isn't is travel. I am hoping that will help add fulfillment and richness to my life. I want to focus a lot on travel for the next chapter of my life.

Also owning pets like cats or dogs (never had a dog but I want to) is in my opinion better than having kids.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: YSHServant]
    #18756834 - 08/25/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There is only one purpose to life.

1. Serve God

The end




Ok, cool, but how does one serve god? How do you serve god? Which God do you serve?




Keep the commandments.

And The Father is the God I serve.



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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18756843 - 08/25/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Society doesn't dictate anything, you can do whatever you like.
you need to live with the consequences ofc...




Society dictates that there are consequences to live with.`



I think that is more just the flow of life that dictates that. Society isn't a coherent organism capable of dictating anything. We collectively managed to make these ephemeral things called laws that reflect our collective conscience (for the most part).


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18757353 - 08/25/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Fuck society and fuck money to. we are the only speicies that "needs" money to survive
we could all easily live off the land



Go ahead.  By the way, get the fuck off the internet.




We are the only species that has a food chain within our own species. Sure, many argue that other species eat each other, ostracize each other, kill each other during mating season. It's also been shown that all this behaviour is instinctual, and they almost have no conscious feeling toward it. No other species, of course, defined, has a food chain within it's own species, an organized slave system.

Even ants, that all serve the queen, do so at birth. They are born, and quickly organize and serve the queen, without orders, except a few pheromones. Fascinating, how the highest thinking species organizes and structures ALMOST instinctively in a hierarchical order. God damn right, :lol: survival of the fittest.

I don't believe in Obama Care. Obama care dictates helping the wounded. But the hierarchical order dictates humans are clearly a species in which survival of the fittest is a rule that applies. NOT COOL DUDE, MESSING WITH NATURE


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: imachavel]
    #18757833 - 08/25/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The only thing that society dictates us to do is get an education, well at least until you are old enough to drop out. Most of the other things are what your parents want for you. Wouldn't you want your kids to have a job to provide for themselves, have shelter, and start a family?


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: searching]
    #18758024 - 08/26/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What's wrong with acquiring knowledge, companionship, shelter, money and offspring to carry out our name and legacy?

If anything, that's guiding us in right direction. Unless you have some sort of outstanding talent, you really shouldn't be thinking you're different than the rest of the population.


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    #18758037 - 08/26/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

why not? :lol:


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: Sheekle]
    #18758617 - 08/26/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18758771 - 08/26/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've knocked down 3/5. I don't think I really desire children, and I'm pretty ambivalent about marriage.  I can take it or leave it.

I can say that doing all of them has brought me great happiness though.  I loved getting an education.  It brought me into contact with people I really admire, many considered to be brilliant minds in their respective fields.  Overall, education has exposed me to many things I otherwise wouldn't have experienced.

After that, everything sort of fell in line and followed.  I really enjoy my job.  I'd even go so far as to say I "love" it, but that might be somewhat of a stretch.  I also have a great home that I enjoy taking care of and spending time in, it's also been a fantastic investment.

I think that society "dictates" these things to us because its one of the most beneficial "paths" you can take.  Lots of people seem to reject it "just because" with little real reason to do so.


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Re: The life society dictates for us [Re: imachavel]
    #18758815 - 08/26/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't believe in Obama Care. Obama care dictates helping the wounded. But the hierarchical order dictates humans are clearly a species in which survival of the fittest is a rule that applies. NOT COOL DUDE, MESSING WITH NATURE




That is why in The Netherlands we sterilize retarded children and when health care costs for the elderly are getting too high we'll just euthanize them.
If you are wounded and too impaired to work the chance is big you won't make it out of the hospital. We are a knowledge society and there is no place for the weak.

True socialists kill the weak, you're all mere cattle.

Besides that we are nice people.


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