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art2312
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amanita trouble
#18755113 - 08/25/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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im having a lot of trouble with this subject... I cant seem to find any information on the var. persicina's season. I think I have found everything else about it but that. im not sure if im looking in the wrong places or if their just isn't a lot of info to find. ive been looking around the posts and internet for a few days now, I know A TON more about amanitas now (which is great) but I cant seem to find specific info to my area...maybe someone has some info they can share with me or could point me in a good direction. I live in northwest Georgia. im about 30 mins from Alabama and an hour or so from Tennessee. this is my first full year here in ga, so I have not found these before. any help would be greatly appreciated. oh, and I have a few more questions about the amanita, but its not really about hunting or i.d.ing them. where should I go for that?
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755147 - 08/25/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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art2312 said: im having a lot of trouble with this subject... I cant seem to find any information on the var. persicina's season. I think I have found everything else about it but that. im not sure if im looking in the wrong places or if their just isn't a lot of info to find. ive been looking around the posts and internet for a few days now, I know A TON more about amanitas now (which is great) but I cant seem to find specific info to my area...maybe someone has some info they can share with me or could point me in a good direction. I live in northwest Georgia. im about 30 mins from Alabama and an hour or so from Tennessee. this is my first full year here in ga, so I have not found these before. any help would be greatly appreciated. oh, and I have a few more questions about the amanita, but its not really about hunting or i.d.ing them. where should I go for that?
They sometimes fruit in the spring but are primarily late summer and fall fruiters. What are your "other" questions?
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art2312
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thank you hash, when exactly is fall? im from southeast fla, so all we have is summer and then cooler summer. I cant seem to find a straightforward answer about the species. is it a. muscaria var. or amerimuscaria or I read about a costa rican amanita that might be more closely related... just very confused.
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755183 - 08/25/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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From what I saw when i researched it, i found that it can fruit in the southern states in spring summer fall. Just go looking for it
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: Labs4858]
#18755345 - 08/25/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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my problem is, I hear to look in "pine forests"... is that all pine or a mix? new growth or old? I have two pine preserves (I don't know if that's right. the first is a natural preserve with lots and lots of old pine and hardwood and the second is berry college that was built in the early 1900's I believe) right by me but one is very old growth ( I read that it is one of the last remaining pine preserves around here... I might have read that wrong ) and the other is old pine but it looks like a lot of it has been burned. I don't know if by accident or what but I don't know if they would grow there. they like live, healthy trees, correct?
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755355 - 08/25/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look in both places. I personally would go to the old growth because I just love hunting old growth forests! Lots of interesting things to see.
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: Labs4858]
#18755362 - 08/25/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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And it grows near pine and oak trees. So I would also try a forest with a mix.
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: Labs4858]
#18755466 - 08/25/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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come to think of it, in the front campus of the college I was talking about, there is a pine forest but all the trees seem like they are in very straight lines. they are probably 30 to 40 ft tall... would that be a better type of place to look? have you found a. var. persicina a lot before?
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755491 - 08/25/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I also just read the cooler months are better. what type of temps are "cooler months" around nw ga? I seem to find answers, but nothing really specific. its all very general information... I have noticed that the majority of the persicina i.d. requests have been October-ish. just not sure if that's because that's the best time to find them or if a lot of people are just out looking for other stuff around that time and finding amanita...
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755519 - 08/25/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have found fruitings in fields with old growth pine and oak, but they weren't as plentiful as some of the patches in young growth's of Pinus taeda. The areas where I was really slaying them were recently developed areas with big huge mounds of clay that had young pines (10 yrs old) dropping dense layers of needles. They like hillsides too. And deer love them, so follow deer.
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755538 - 08/25/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh! and how should I refer to this mushroom when searching for it? or even when just discussing it? fly agaric or amanita var. persicina? sorry about the bunch of questions... its overloading my brain and just spilling out I guess... so many questions, SO many fungi...so little time
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755547 - 08/25/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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hash...that habitat sounds hauntingly familiar... so I would be looking for the same habitat as I do when searching for weilii? (that I still cant find)
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755597 - 08/25/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol. It's kinda funny how many of the habitats can seem so similar but so different.
Looking for mushrooms? Check planet earth. I hear that they have a bunch.
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: DCart]
#18755603 - 08/25/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Amanita muscaria var. persicina
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: Labs4858]
#18755646 - 08/25/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Labs4858 said: Amanita muscaria var. persicina
It is distinct from muscaria. It will soon be renamed to its own species. Most likely to avoid confusion, the nomenclature used will be Amanita persicina. I refer to them as "Peach Caps." Eat enough and you WILL see miss peach herself. Lol
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I hope to see her soon hash lol...so it wont be any variant of muscaria at all soon? what makes it differ so much from muscaria that they would disassociate persicina from the muscaria name entirely? not macroscopically I don't think... from what I have seen ( which, im sad to say, is only through pictures...) they don't differ that much...but what do I know. and DC.... man, maybe im too to see them from up here...cuz I cant find anything...maybe a different planet would be better for me... now I need to find a ride there lol
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755765 - 08/25/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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art2312 said: I hope to see her soon hash lol...so it wont be any variant of muscaria at all soon? what makes it differ so much from muscaria that they would disassociate persicina from the muscaria name entirely? not macroscopically I don't think... from what I have seen ( which, im sad to say, is only through pictures...) they don't differ that much...but what do I know. and DC.... man, maybe im too to see them from up here...cuz I cant find anything...maybe a different planet would be better for me... now I need to find a ride there lol
If you got the green, I'll bring the spaceship. Or, we can split that cap that I found and run around aimlessly in the woods.
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Labs4858 said: Amanita muscaria var. persicina
Eat enough and you WILL see miss peach herself. Lol
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: Labs4858]
#18755865 - 08/25/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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grab the keys DC! lol im down.... I cant find any "spaceships" around me at all....not even from a dealership...hell, I cant even find a dealership!
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Edited by art2312 (08/25/13 04:42 PM)
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Re: amanita trouble [Re: art2312]
#18755922 - 08/25/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just read something on mushroomexpert that im not sure I am understanding correctly.... " As for the traditional morphological features separating "varieties," the researchers noted that among the species determined by DNA, "[a]ll . . . share at least two morphological varieties with other species, sugesting ancestral polymorphism in pileus and wart color pre-dating their speciations. "....does this mean the persicina pre-dates the muscaria? or am I totally misunderstanding this?
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