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krunkmaster
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No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas?
#18740246 - 08/21/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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After 3 failed attempts at multi-spore inoculation of rye grains, I think it's time to ask the Shroomery brain trust for some help.
Attempt #1: Using quart jars, I followed this grain tek. It wasn't until I got to the PC stage that I realized I needed to check how many jars I could actually fit at a time. Not good... turns out I could only fit 2 at a time, and that was laying down. I had the feeling I was royally screwing up the sterilization procedure, especially because the filter discs were probably getting wet. I inoculated anyway for experimentation, and I went on vacation for 1 week while these jars sat out. When I returned, several were clearly contaminated, and the rest showed no growth, so I the discarded them all. I was using a simple incubator in this grow (cooler with a reptile pad and thermostat to keep it @ 80 degrees).
Attempt #2: Using half-pint jars, I followed a hybrid of the above tek with RR's "5 steps to perfect grain spawn" video. I felt better about this attempt because I was using much smaller jars and knew I could fit 10 of them in the PC. My #1 inkling of "this isn't going to work" in this grow was probably that I didn't properly dry the grains after boiling/simmering them. They seemed too wet to be loading into the jar, but I decided to be cocky and load them anyway. 7 days after inoculation, I didn't notice any growth, so I discarded it. This was also done in an incubator, but I left the cooler wide open.
Attempt #3: Using 1-pint jars, I strictly followed RR's tek. I created some self-healing lids with filter disk patches for fun. I put effort into making sure the grains were properly steam dried after boiling. I also used RR's recommendation of placing the grains on toilet paper and checking for a wet spot. I did not use an incubator this time after reading RR's rants about how unnecessary they are and how room temperature is fine. I inoculated these jars on 8/19 and I still see no signs of growth. I have not yet discarded these but I'm thinking I probably should. The only potential mistake I can think of is that I had soaked the grains for ~28 hours.
I know it's a huge amount of info, but I am hoping someone can help me identify a common thread between them that I may not have considered. So far, my only thoughts have been bad syringes (they all came from the same vendor), or some kind of issue with the grains themselves. I did have a successful PF grow with syringes from the same vendor, for whatever little that's worth. I have one more syringe before I need to try to acquire some more. Thinking about just doing another PF grow to be safe.
Anyone have any suggestions? I'd be thrilled to answer any questions!
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BloodKil
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster] 1
#18740259 - 08/21/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Throw these away too...
Your other jars were likely fine... it can take up to 3 weeks for signs of growth to appear. Learns some patience.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: BloodKil]
#18740298 - 08/21/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL really? For some reason I had this idea in my head that I should be able to see at least some sign of colonization after 1 week. Now I wonder if I actually saw that somewhere or if I just made it up entirely. I do think it was wise to discard the first grow, as it was actually contaminated, but now I'm wishing I had kept the second one around in a separate area just to see if anything developed.
Well anyway, that's great to know. Just in case nothing ever pops up, would you recommend using the last syringe on a PF grow, and using cultures from that grow for inoculation of more grain jars? I would assume live cultures take hold and spread much more aggressively than multispore, but I've never tried it.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18740768 - 08/22/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can spare the jars leave em be for another week or two. You'd be surprised....sometimes.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: MaJiK_420]
#18740785 - 08/22/13 03:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been wanting to try rye since I moved to bulk, but I got stuck on BirdSeed and GrassSeed.
Maybe look for a tek on those, I think Frank has a good WBS prep(among other good information) or for GrassSeed Violets plastic power tek.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: MaJiK_420]
#18740905 - 08/22/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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One should never give up after a week. A week to ten days is about average to see the first patches of mycelium showing up. RR
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18742217 - 08/22/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you very much guys!
If things don't work it out with rye for whatever reason, I will start to look into WBS. I've been avoiding it because the community seems to prefer rye on the whole. I am up for trying anything though!
Thanks again (especially for the cool videos, RR!)
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18742240 - 08/22/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man, I have TONS of jars that don't do jack shit. Just inoculated a whole batch of jars with Golden Teachers from one of our sponsors and that was a complete bust. Then I switched to Cambodians and that was a bust. I finally figured out that I just might not be putting enough solution in each jar.
It happens.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18742272 - 08/22/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
krunkmaster said: Thank you very much guys!
If things don't work it out with rye for whatever reason, I will start to look into WBS. I've been avoiding it because the community seems to prefer rye on the whole. I am up for trying anything though!
Thanks again (especially for the cool videos, RR!)
Just keep in mind that WBS preparation is a little more work to get the moisture content right. And its a little messier.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: PhosCap]
#18742347 - 08/22/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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phosi said:
Just keep in mind that WBS preparation is a little more work to get the moisture content right. And its a little messier.
yes but more innoc points . ive used both and wbs is easiest to find for me so i use it.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: mpd]
#18743337 - 08/22/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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mpd said: Man, I have TONS of jars that don't do jack shit. Just inoculated a whole batch of jars with Golden Teachers from one of our sponsors and that was a complete bust. Then I switched to Cambodians and that was a bust. I finally figured out that I just might not be putting enough solution in each jar.
It happens.
Sure, I don't expect to succeed every time, especially with how inexperienced I still am. But it would be nice to have 1 success at some point
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18745287 - 08/23/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just checked before going to bed... tiny amount of white fuzz appearing right under the injection port in one jar!
Assuming it's not a contam I think I am in business
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18745479 - 08/23/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krunkmaster said: I just checked before going to bed... tiny amount of white fuzz appearing right under the injection port in one jar!
Assuming it's not a contam I think I am in business 
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: twistedty]
#18751712 - 08/24/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good last few days! Went from seeing growth at the top of one jar, to a second jar also at the top, to what looks like all 5 jars showing plenty of growth at the bottom as well. I'm getting excited, starting to feel that sense of joy again that I got from the PF grow too
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18751813 - 08/24/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Glad you didn't throw them out now,aren't you?You can't do much better than to do everything identically next round.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: mpd]
#18752414 - 08/24/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mpd said: Man, I have TONS of jars that don't do jack shit. Just inoculated a whole batch of jars with Golden Teachers from one of our sponsors and that was a complete bust. Then I switched to Cambodians and that was a bust. I finally figured out that I just might not be putting enough solution in each jar.
It happens.
get some agar.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: Rockhound]
#18754824 - 08/25/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rockhound said: Glad you didn't throw them out now,aren't you?You can't do much better than to do everything identically next round.
Very glad!
I still have a ways to go though. Never built a monotub or worked with coir before. Both seem relatively easy, but (as I'm sure you all know) it's tricky trying to pick and choose different teks for each portion of a grow and figure out how to stitch it all together. I think once I have a successful grain grow from start to finish it will become a lot easier for me.
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: krunkmaster]
#18755034 - 08/25/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd say follow the teks in this mans signature... They are all up to date and he's had a shit ton of successful grows.
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krunkmaster
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Re: No signs of colonization across 3 rye grows. Any ideas? [Re: BloodKil]
#18755253 - 08/25/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, that is quite a list 
Thanks a lot for the link! Gonna pore over this for a while.
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