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Does more poverty = more crime?
    #18754249 - 08/25/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Saw some guy on Fox talking about the low crime rate of the Great Depression
and the low crime rate of various, extremely poor, Asian communities. Thoughts?

I hear the crime rate has been plummeting recently, right along with America's financial circumstances.

So, does more poverty always mean more crime?


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam]
    #18754281 - 08/25/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Whenever something goes down something comes up and vice versa. :haha:


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Icelander]
    #18754355 - 08/25/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Whenever I post real questions here I get nothing for my effort and then wonder why I bother. :haha:


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam] * 3
    #18754368 - 08/25/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do what I do.  I pose unreal questions and get well thought out responses. :monkeydance:


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Icelander]
    #18754374 - 08/25/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:iveseenenough:


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam]
    #18754424 - 08/25/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:ruggedwink:


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam]
    #18754679 - 08/25/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OldHam said:
Saw some guy on Fox talking about the low crime rate of the Great Depression
and the low crime rate of various, extremely poor, Asian communities. Thoughts?

I hear the crime rate has been plummeting recently, right along with America's financial circumstances.

So, does more poverty always mean more crime?



Thats interesting I would like to some studies to back it up though. Logically you would think that crime is based mostly on economic circumstance which includes poor education lack of good role models. Maybe in these asian communities there are still strong family bonds which could be a detriment to crime?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18754786 - 08/25/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The Asian secret is not being gullible enough to fight and steal from each other just because some fuckwit said that was how life is.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18754797 - 08/25/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I know plenty of well to do people who are "criminals"(victimless crimes that I don't support remaining illegal) some that are outright wealthy. Poor people don't do well in the drug trade, or they wouldn't be poor. They are as inept at crime as they are at other aspects of their sorry ass lives. As much as bleeding heart liberals don't want to admit it poverty is a sign of failure, and being a loser the vast majority of the time. Except for extenuating circumstances, at least hear in America that is.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam] * 1
    #18754859 - 08/25/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OldHam said:


So, does more poverty always mean more crime?





Poverty and crime probably share a common cause: shitty conditions and shitty parents.  I doubt poverty is a very important cause for all but some opportunistic or casual property crimes with financial benefit.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam]
    #18754994 - 08/25/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That sounds interesting, but I'd like to see some statistics/studies to support it.

If you look at areas with high crime rates, it's overwhelmingly areas with a poor socio-economic status. But correlation does not equal causation. I think the culture in those communities has a lot to do with it. If crime is viewed as acceptable, or even encouraged, that will certainly lead to higher crime. I think over time, living in poor communities, this culture gets established and that's what leads to the high crime rates, but I don't believe it is just poverty as the cause.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: BoldAsLove] * 2
    #18755065 - 08/25/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the correlation between violent non-profitable crime(i.e. young black males killing each other off at alarming rates) and poverty are also correlated to intelligence levels I'd bet


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #18755301 - 08/25/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd disagree. I think it has significantly more to do with the culture than with intelligence. I suppose t could have something to do with level of education, but that draws back to poverty again. I'd be really interested to see a study on the claim of intelligence, but I doubt anyone has conducted one to date.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #18757454 - 08/25/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

any introductory sociology book will be littered with citations showing a high correlation between low socioeconomic status and increased crime rates. in answer to ops question, yes. take a look at detroit for your latest example.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: OldHam]
    #18757469 - 08/25/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I stopped reading after Fox.


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #18758127 - 08/26/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd disagree. I think it has significantly more to do with the culture than with intelligence. I suppose t could have something to do with level of education, but that draws back to poverty again. I'd be really interested to see a study on the claim of intelligence, but I doubt anyone has conducted one to date.




I don't know about that. I don't care how much education you give an unintelligent person they're still unintelligent. Some people are just dumber then others. We're all born with an intellectual capacity. I find it hard to believe there isn't a correlation between violent/petty crime & IQ. I also don't believe there isn't a correlation between poverty and IQ in places of prosperity & opportunity.

I realize that there are exceptions to every rule, and that there intelligent yet violent psychopaths. That there are intelligent people who fail at life for whatever reason, but do you really believe that intelligent people don't statistically tend to thrive and prosper more then their mentally inferior counterparts?

I mean you do know that the people that are in the county jail especially those who are habitually aren't the brightest bulbs in the box right? The same goes for government housing projects, although those two examples are often the  same segments of the populations.

I also believe that the percentage of unintelligent people that are incarcerated has to be connected to their inability to avoid detection by law enforcement, handle the police intelligently when confronted by arrest by law enforcement, and ability to afford good legal representation in court due to the fact that dumb people tend to earn less money


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Smokey420] * 2
    #18760489 - 08/26/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I stopped reading after Fox.



So you're only comfortable in your own little bubble cloud of smoke?


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: ManianFH]
    #18761551 - 08/26/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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any introductory sociology book will be littered with citations showing a high correlation between low socioeconomic status and increased crime rates. in answer to ops question, yes. take a look at detroit for your latest example.




QFT. It's common sense and has been shown many times over


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: Smokey420]
    #18761655 - 08/26/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Smokey420 said:
I stopped reading after Fox.



And I stopped taking you seriously after I saw 420 in your name


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Re: Does more poverty = more crime? [Re: ManianFH]
    #18761762 - 08/26/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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mick said:
any introductory sociology book will be littered with citations showing a high correlation between low socioeconomic status and increased crime rates. in answer to ops question, yes. take a look at detroit for your latest example.




So if we follow that line of reasoning, any city that is poorer than Detroit (on a global basis) should have more crime than Detroit, I hardly think that is the case. Detroit also has a major component that is highly correlated with crime, and it's not economic.


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