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Bit confused about bulk trays...
    #18753634 - 08/25/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As always I'll be actively searching for answers to my questions, not just waitin on you guys to answer. Live feedback is the best though.

Plan on doin a bulk tray in my SGFC after these cakes finish up. I'm somewhat confused on how to go about doing a few things.
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First, there's the question of how much substrate for my tray. It's a 6qt tupperware container. 12.88" length, 9.13" width, 5.14" height. I'm using Coir Verm, how do I translate this to 3" of substrate? I'll look around for a substrate calculator.

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Second is how I'm going to PC my spawn. If I do 1/2 pints, they'll fit just fine in my PC, if I do quart jars, I have to do 1 at a time, on it's side. What risks does this present and can it be done safely? I'll be using SFD's for the GE port and silicone injection ports.

Answer Found: It's OK to PC on it's side. Need to now investigate if water should be touching jars at all or not.





Third is the issue of colonizing in the tub. I don't need top holes for FAE since the lid will be removed for fruiting in the SGFC, how big do I need to make the substrate level holes for GE? Will an SFD over the holes work as an alternative to stuffing them with polyfil?

Fourth, casing layer, or not?


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: LTSwoomz]
    #18754063 - 08/25/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I am really confused about what you are asking in your third ques. It just makes absolutely no sense to me.

Don't use a casing layer. Just mix the spawn with the sub in the tray and cover it with something like plastic wrap. Pop a couple little holes in it and set it somewhere to colonize. You can set it in the sgfc or on a shelf somewhere. Once fully colonized take the wrap off and let it sit in the sgfc and fruit


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754067 - 08/25/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I'll try to clarify the third question.

During construction of the tub, I have to account for gas exchange for the period after spawning where it colonizes the sub. I'm asking how large those GE holes should be for a container the size of mine, and I'm also asking if I can put synthetic filter discs over the holes instead of stuffing them with polyfil.


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: LTSwoomz]
    #18754072 - 08/25/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Aren't you going to fruit the tray in a sgfc?


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754073 - 08/25/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes.


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754076 - 08/25/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Just mix the spawn with the sub in the tray and cover it with something like plastic wrap. Pop a couple little holes in it and set it somewhere to colonize. You can set it in the sgfc or on a shelf somewhere. Once fully colonized take the wrap off and let it sit in the sgfc and fruit




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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754078 - 08/25/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hm. Open holes are OK for that period of recolonizing? I know fully colonized spawn and sub is pretty contam resistant, but then why do we do polyfil GE holes in a monotub?


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: LTSwoomz]
    #18754079 - 08/25/13 04:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We polyfill holes in a mono to control the fae not to filter the air


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754083 - 08/25/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you didn't polyfill the holes the sub would dry out. In a sgfc you have perlite to maintain humidity plus you use much smaller holes. A sgfc is just a completely different concept than a monotub


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754085 - 08/25/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Think I'll reverse my big truck into this convo and say you won't need holes in the tub - there is enough GE between tub and lid. This is assuming you are doing what you are saying and will be moving into a SGFC. I am wondering why though? Why not just make it a monotub - I think you would get better results mate :thumbup:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754089 - 08/25/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Think I'll reverse my big truck into this convo and say you won't need holes in the tub - there is enough GE between tub and lid. This is assuming you are doing what you are saying and will be moving into a SGFC. I am wondering why though? Why not just make it a monotub - I think you would get better results mate :thumbup:




He is not making a tub he is making a tray silly and I have had some pretty damn good results fruiting trays in sgfc


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754100 - 08/25/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Think I'll reverse my big truck into this convo and say you won't need holes in the tub - there is enough GE between tub and lid. This is assuming you are doing what you are saying and will be moving into a SGFC. I am wondering why though? Why not just make it a monotub - I think you would get better results mate :thumbup:




He is not making a tub he is making a tray silly and I have had some pretty damn good results fruiting trays in sgfc




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Third is the issue of colonizing in the tub.




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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754105 - 08/25/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That third ques confused the hell out of me :confused:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754113 - 08/25/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose I imported the idea of how a monotub colonizes after being spawned to with what I'm trying to accomplish. I'm just trying to spawn WBS to a bulk sub in a tupperware container/tray and then fruit it in a SGFC. After spawning I didn't know if I needed gas exchange holes with filters over them to help filter out baddies from entering into the sub while the spawn is colonizing it.

I'm doing a tray for now because I don't have the spores to make enough spawn for a mono, don't wanna do cakes, and I don't have the sterile tech necessary for grain 2 grain so I can't turn 1 jar of spawn into 8.


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754114 - 08/25/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That third ques confused the hell out of me :confused:




That's why I said what I said - He seems to be colonizing in a "tub" and then transferring to a "tray" in an SGFC. I think he maybe has a tray IN a tub for colonization?

Either way his "tub" would not need holes as GE would be taken care of between tub body and lid.

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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: LTSwoomz]
    #18754116 - 08/25/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I suppose I imported the idea of how a monotub colonizes after being spawned to with what I'm trying to accomplish. I'm just trying to spawn WBS to a bulk sub in a tupperware container/tray and then fruit it in a SGFC. After spawning I didn't know if I needed gas exchange holes with filters over them to help filter out baddies from entering into the sub while the spawn is colonizing it.

I'm doing a tray for now because I don't have the spores to make enough spawn for a mono, don't wanna do cakes, and I don't have the sterile tech necessary for grain 2 grain so I can't turn 1 jar of spawn into 8.





From what I know just colonize the tray in the tub with no holes if that fits in with yr plans then remove it and put into fruiting at 100% colonized :thumbup:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754117 - 08/25/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I'm sorry, no the tub/tray is the same thing. I'll say tray. It's meant to be spawned to, colonize the sub, then opened up once done and put into fruiting conditions, in this case a SGFC.


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: LTSwoomz]
    #18754121 - 08/25/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh I'm sorry, no the tub/tray is the same thing. I'll say tray. It's meant to be spawned to, colonize the sub, then opened up once done and put into fruiting conditions, in this case a SGFC.




Oh! I'm not sure then. I just woke up and my brain is too fried...hopefully someone else will help.

What was the question again? :uhoh::lol:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754125 - 08/25/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The question is this. I've learned from my studies that colonizing sub needs GE. The sub is being colonized by the spawn. How does one account for the GE of the colonizing sub?

I was thinking in terms of monotubs. I'm basically doing the exact same thing, I'm just not going to fruit it the same way because the tray/container isn't tall enough for that, so I'm just going to open it up after it's done colonizing and let it fruit in the SGFC. I may be VASTLY over complicating this, I just didn't find a definitive bulk tray tek to use.


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754128 - 08/25/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh I'm sorry, no the tub/tray is the same thing. I'll say tray. It's meant to be spawned to, colonize the sub, then opened up once done and put into fruiting conditions, in this case a SGFC.




Oh! I'm not sure then. I just woke up and my brain is too fried...hopefully someone else will help.

What was the question again? :uhoh::lol:




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    #18754130 - 08/25/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The question is this. I've learned from my studies that colonizing sub needs GE. The sub is being colonized by the spawn. How does one account for the GE of the colonizing sub?

I was thinking in terms of monotubs. I'm basically doing the exact same thing, I'm just not going to fruit it the same way because the tray/container isn't tall enough for that, so I'm just going to open it up after it's done colonizing and let it fruit in the SGFC. I may be VASTLY over complicating this, I just didn't find a definitive bulk tray tek to use.




If you could post a pic of yr tray/tub that would probably clear this up in no time :smile:


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    #18754132 - 08/25/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The question is this. I've learned from my studies that colonizing sub needs GE. The sub is being colonized by the spawn. How does one account for the GE of the colonizing sub?

I was thinking in terms of monotubs. I'm basically doing the exact same thing, I'm just not going to fruit it the same way because the tray/container isn't tall enough for that, so I'm just going to open it up after it's done colonizing and let it fruit in the SGFC. I may be VASTLY over complicating this, I just didn't find a definitive bulk tray tek to use.




You are definitely over complicating this :thumbup: Jk man you'll do fine


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754133 - 08/25/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Skinty said:
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LTSwoomz said:
Oh I'm sorry, no the tub/tray is the same thing. I'll say tray. It's meant to be spawned to, colonize the sub, then opened up once done and put into fruiting conditions, in this case a SGFC.




Oh! I'm not sure then. I just woke up and my brain is too fried...hopefully someone else will help.

What was the question again? :uhoh::lol:




So now can I call you silly billy?




Yes my names not Billy so I wouldn't take it personally :eek:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754134 - 08/25/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



xD Thanks for the vote of confidence psilly.


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    #18754137 - 08/25/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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xD Thanks for the vote of confidence psilly.




Gaps between the main body and the lid should provide enough GE - just like with a normal monotub that has the holes taped up :thumbup:

or if yr worried about it - that lid actually looks petty air tight - you could always drill a couple of holes in the top and TIGHTLY pack with polyfill :shrug:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754143 - 08/25/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man. I thought I needed GE holes because of those holes at the substrate level used in a mono. It's crazy that enough air can pass through that tiny little gap!


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Skinty]
    #18754146 - 08/25/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think there will be enough ge with that lid. It's not like it has a rubber seal or anything


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    #18754148 - 08/25/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks man. I thought I needed GE holes because of those holes at the substrate level used in a mono. It's crazy that enough air can pass through that tiny little gap!




The holes on a mono are taped shut during colonization and we rely on the imperfect lid to provide ge


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    #18754151 - 08/25/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks man. I thought I needed GE holes because of those holes at the substrate level used in a mono. It's crazy that enough air can pass through that tiny little gap!




The holes are only uncovered in a mono when you introduce fruiting conditions mate :thumbup:


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Re: Bit confused about bulk trays... [Re: Stromrider]
    #18754155 - 08/25/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The holes on a mono are taped shut during colonization and we rely on the imperfect lid to provide ge




Oh OK. In my other thread I'd asked about this and thought you had said that the top holes are taped but bottom holes just stuffed tightly with polyfil (during colonization) and then the top holes were untaped and stuffed loosely with polyfil for fruiting. So then all holes of a monotub are taped for the spawn run?

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The holes are only uncovered in a mono when you introduce fruiting conditions mate :thumbup:




Guess there's my answer, thanks for clarifying!


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    #18754157 - 08/25/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yep. All holes are taped shut and then when put into fruiting you stuff the bot holes tight and the top holes loose


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