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SteelPanther


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Difference in psychedelic visuals
#18753367 - 08/24/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have tried many different types of psychedelics. I have had tryptamines, mescaline, 25c-nbome, and lsd. Out of all those, lsd was one I have only tried twice witch was only one low level three type trip, and a level 1. I have noticed that all the visuals have a different feel to them which is hard to describe. Mescaline is a clear description for me the visuals seem to be focused on energy, such as the energy in the air or light. It also has the flowing and some features of the mushroom visuals but the energy property is what stands out to me. Psilocin/psilocybin for me have a very indescribable visual occurrence, They are not fractals or anything but the patterning made from small circular images of energy. Especially in the dark, as it seems something that generates this visual is the brain filling in for space in front of you which reflects no light. 25c-nbome generally produced disproportionating effects where objects would lose their rigid boundaries and stretch and grow or shrink. Another peculiar thing that stands out about the visuals of 25c is that it has an extreme tendency in the mind to make the mind produce images. The type of images for example you would see in clouds as kids, or even just on a wall.
I never really got to get down the peculiar part of lsd pertaining to the visuals. Mentally I noticed the difference that all those different receptors add in along with its adrenic properties. Visually the visuals seemed different but I can't pinpoint what it was or how to describe it because I have only had a low dose. The grass formed patterns in a different way than other psychedelics do. It was very deep and clear partly because I was staring at the grass during the day. If you are interested in this 'study' of differences in the visual effects of psychedelics, write which chemical and the prominent effects of the visuals using another psychedelic as reference to compare. Try posting it in a format like this Chemical/Plant/Fungi Doseage Effects and description
I have never written a post like this but I read them all the time on here and on other websites and think they generate alot of useful information, or interesting information in this case.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: SteelPanther]
#18753387 - 08/24/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think to properly judge the substances you'd need to have extensive experience with each of them, and go to high level 5 doses.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: SteelPanther]
#18753392 - 08/24/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not in the format, but relevant.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: TribalSkyGod]
#18753443 - 08/24/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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TribalSkyGod said: Not in the format, but relevant.

Not very accurate for me. The LSD one looks closest to mushrooms to me.
I've tried quite a few, and they're all fairly different visually, but of course there are tons of common and similar elements. They all have flowing and patterning, for example. 25i's 3d geometric visuals were pretty unique. In fact, I was impressed by all the NBOMe's visuals.
But nothing will ever come close to 2CE's incredibly complex fantasy and space visuals. I've never seen anything like 2CE. It's like what you'd expect LSD to be like if you'd never tried a psychedelic.
Edited by nooneman (08/24/13 10:47 PM)
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: nooneman]
#18753474 - 08/24/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I usually think of it this way, Mescaline, in high doses, provides visuals that seem "softer", less filled in, but usually give me feelings about nature and life itself.
Psilocybin, in high doses, I usually see large constructs or mechanical organisms (oxymoron, I know). THings that shift in composition and color while the open eyed visuals gave plants a conscious aspect, patterns appear where i normally would not see them: a field of brown grass once appeared to be covered in eyes and some objects suh as walls melt away and swirl around me.
LSD usually gives me bright, vivid, but comforting visuals, like if the satturation in my eyes was turned up, and things swim around, as if some god injected water into them. Sounds seem to project color in my mind, and the space inside my mind seems finite.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: nooneman]
#18753542 - 08/24/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Not very accurate for me. The LSD one looks closest to mushrooms to me.
I've tried quite a few, and they're all fairly different visually, but of course there are tons of common and similar elements. They all have flowing and patterning, for example. 25i's 3d geometric visuals were pretty unique. In fact, I was impressed by all the NBOMe's visuals.
But nothing will ever come close to 2CE's incredibly complex fantasy and space visuals. I've never seen anything like 2CE. It's like what you'd expect LSD to be like if you'd never tried a psychedelic.
I've never done LSD, but the shroom and Ayahuasca ones are pretty accurate for me.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: Futuresight]
#18753567 - 08/24/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a lot of experience with both psilocybin and LSD:
LSD: more clarity in visuals. slowly morphing crystal clear colorful shapes like snowflakes, flower of life, mayan/aztec god-heads, mayan/aztec civilizations in the walls, hieroglyphics, the concrete ground becomes "alive" and becomes so fascinating just to stare at the ground, wall, or ceiling.
Mushrooms: more geometric shapes, gears, watching my facial expressions slowly morph while looking in the mirror (smiling, then frowning, then malevolent, then mischievous, etc), rotating patterns, definitely a bit more dull in color and clarity as opposed to LSD. faces in walls and especially mountains/rocky cliffs. like hundreds/thousands of faces
similarities between the two substances: eyeballs/eyes in nature, grass, trees, CEVs, walls, etc. nature and plants seem to take on a more conscious and communicative aspect. they become alive and sometimes it seems they are looking at you and asking for you to acknowledge their presence, or they are simply showing you that they are conscious living beings. walls and floor breathing. trails/tracers.
there's more but i've run out of descriptions. hope that gives you a good idea
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: TribalSkyGod]
#18753570 - 08/24/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Iv noticed a lot of psychedelic pictures have colors in them similar to the ones in that comparison chart. Iv always thought that maybe they were similar to LSD because I'm never seen those bright incandescent neon colors on psychedelics. However I have no clue if thats really the case.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: SteelPanther]
#18753586 - 08/24/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SteelPanther said: I'm never seen those bright incandescent neon colors on psychedelics
In high doses, mushrooms can cause bright neon colors.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: nooneman]
#18753605 - 08/24/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said:
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SteelPanther said: I'm never seen those bright incandescent neon colors on psychedelics
In high doses, mushrooms can cause bright neon colors.
thats good to know. I've done decently high doses (1/4 oz) and still only gotten the things moving around 'hallucination.'
maybe i need stronger mushrooms? diff species
or just eat moar?
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18753625 - 08/25/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not sure. I've gotten them before, but it's got to be a pretty high dose. I was really tripping hard when I got them. Everything was changing so fast. My floor turned neon orange with a pattern in it. My wall was exploding into neon geometric shapes.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: nooneman]
#18754469 - 08/25/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had very different visuals for two experiences with the same substance. Don't think defining the trip visuals is an easy task....
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: KingKnowledge]
#18754923 - 08/25/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes it very hard, I made this thread to see if there was a reoccurring trait to certain psychedelics visuals.
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: SteelPanther]
#18755036 - 08/25/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never done LSD but I have some experiance with mushrooms and I particularly love the visuals.
I've seen small circular objects morph into eye balls (like a light bulb socket), neon green marijuana leafs while looking into a pitch black forest. Grass can grow and shrink, walls morph twords you then morph away. People's faces morphing into other facial expressions/seeing multiple eyes, ears, and noses on people.
Visuals are pretty hard to explain but I like to think of them as everything moving with outside energies. Also mushroom visuals I feel are kind of dark and sinister but still incredibly fun/exciting/awesome to look at.
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LSD visuals are much different for me than with shrooms. With LSD the breathing is way more intense. The ground is constantly changing depths getting deep then coming right back up it move right under you. Looking down at the carpet, the light and dark spots start swimming and forming kaleidoscope patterns. The stucco walls in my house start swaying and the designs moving in all directions. With Shrooms things warp more, like my walls bending farther away. I see a lot of red on shrooms, my white walls a red tint, things get VERY cartoonish on shrooms, which i love. Things take a more rounded shape, and objects get bigger/smaller. Plants have this alive feel, although same with LSD.
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I think the picture is pretty spot on (never tried ayahuasca). LSD is more crisp and crystaline as where shrooms are more fuzzy and organic.
On LSD I used to see skulls everywhere but know its more aztek like.
OEV have become somewhat similar on both
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: Tripsurfer]
#18755201 - 08/25/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its all your dosage and mindset for visuals, ego death visuals seem to come from nowhere but yet seem familiar
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: TribalSkyGod]
#18755803 - 08/25/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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TribalSkyGod said: Not in the format, but relevant.

Pretty accurate except the first one looks more like 25i to me.
To be honest though, the more I trip the less differences I can tell. It's like certain trips left me with an idea of what it should feel like, but then another trip completely changes that. Eventually they just blend into the same thing. 25i and DMT are the only ones I can distinguish now and 25i might change if I were to use it more
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I have been having a similar occurrence lately, some visuals I saw on 4aco-dmt were very alike to mescaline. However I don't think nbome's will ever really have the same visual feel to them because the visuals are just diffeent in my opinion.
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JacksonMetaller said:
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TribalSkyGod said: Not in the format, but relevant.

To be honest though, the more I trip the less differences I can tell. It's like certain trips left me with an idea of what it should feel like, but then another trip completely changes that. Eventually they just blend into the same thing.
I have the exact same thing. After a while it all just blurs together.
I believe it to be a sign of pending enlightenment
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Re: Difference in psychedelic visuals [Re: Tripsurfer]
#18765257 - 08/27/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can definitely see how that diagram makes sense, but that's just one vizzy of many. You can definitely get all kinds of visuals on many of the psychedelics.
But there is kind of an unknown factor to this. It's possible Every human could have a different perception and may see things differently. The way an eye receives a light spectrum could affect what they see comparably to you. This means when i see what I perceive as red, you may be seeing what i would think blue was. We just refer to this one color as red but have no way to truly understand we all see it the same way.
Who knows if we get visuals the same way, maybe there's more to this than we all know. Or maybe we see it all the exact same way, which is pretty crazy too.
Edited by Everything (08/27/13 06:33 PM)
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