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Is this Cobweb?
#18753175 - 08/24/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I cased some grains and it's just about to pin and I'm a bit worried about one part of my pan..
 That at first appeared to be a good hyphal knot but has turned a bluish, greyish color.
 You can see a little bit to the right of that "hyphal knot" there's what appears to be stringy cobwebby strands that don't really appear like the rest of the mycelium.
 That's the closest shot I can get with best overall quality.
Does this appear to be cobweb and will it affect the rest of the pan because the rest of the pan looks just fine turning yellow with a shit ton of hyphal knots forming? I fresh air exchange, when I'm home at least 10 hours a day, every one to two hours so I just don't think it would be cobweb cuz it likes stale air...
my first time fruiting!!!
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18753181 - 08/24/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18753253 - 08/24/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It looks like colonizing myce but if you have been prematurely opening your bin you maybe looking at a contaminant
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18753369 - 08/24/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't look like it. Best I can describe cobweb is like loose polyfill with water on it. You will know if its cobweb
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ghostinthemist said: It looks like colonizing myce but if you have been prematurely opening your bin you maybe looking at a contaminant
You are forgetting that is was spawned in the open air, and there are already possibly millions of contams mixed in with the substrate already.
If it was going to contam, it is going to contam.
Peeking every now and then will not hurt.
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ghostinthemist said: It looks like colonizing myce but if you have been prematurely opening your bin you maybe looking at a contaminant
I see people saying stuff like this everyday. Where are you getting this info? Are you just making it up?
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Alright so I'm thinking it might be much worse than simple cobweb. Last night I had noticed that the color of the mycelium was changing to a dark hue which I was suspecting that pinning may be soon. But when I woke up to check on them today I noticed that one of the pans is actually turning a bluish/green color in some spots on the pan. This pan was also accidentally heavily misted so there was some damage to the mycelium network due to that. I can't post pics because my camera isn't good enough to pick up the colors. Does this bluish green sound like it could be trich or something else?
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18754677 - 08/25/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trich is really really green. Bruising is more of a blue sometimes with a little green tint
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Trich will start off pure white and then sporilate green.
Cobweb looks like grey hair, and grows super fucking fast.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: PussyFart]
#18754747 - 08/25/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll get some pictures and let's see if that helps you guys out... I'll try my best to get some zoom in's and such and try to bring the best quality
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18754788 - 08/25/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So there's the best pictures I could get with the best quality...
So I have question based on NotaHacker420's reply. So I cased them on last sunday (1 week ago) and after one day (monday) the mycelium was already breaching the surface of the coir/verm substrate so I put them in fruiting conditions. Since then the mycelium has been very white and fluffy in the middle of the pan with longer rhizomorphic growth on the outskirts which doesn't appear as white and fluffy. Well now those white and fluffy spots have hyphal knotted and are starting to turn tannish in color which is what I assume is primordia and pin formation right? or has that "white fluffy" stuff just been trich waiting to sporulate? The reason why I don't think it's trich though is because wouldn't trich start turning bluish greenish and not tannish yellowish?
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ghostinthemist said: It looks like colonizing myce but if you have been prematurely opening your bin you maybe looking at a contaminant
I see people saying stuff like this everyday. Where are you getting this info? Are you just making it up?
You are uneducated, you go into threads and give horrible advise. NEVER open up a substrate before it's fully colonized. Common sense stuff. Thats whey there is a filter layer on brf cakes. You need to leave it closed to outside contams till it's in a fruiting stage then you are less likely to see contams taking over. Also Psilly will give you a bad rating if you disagree with him so watch out! And your seeing people saying this everyday and you disagree. It's called a consensus....or a fact
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ghostinthemist said: You are uneducated, you go into threads and give horrible advise. NEVER open up a substrate before it's fully colonized.
Why not?
Please elaborate on what you read might happen if you do.
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ghostinthemist said: Thats whey there is a filter layer on brf cakes. You need to leave it closed to outside contams till it's in a fruiting stage then you are less likely to see contams taking over.
What you are saying here makes YOU sound uneducated.
No one here is talking about BRF cakes and dry verm layers.
Not to mention the dry verm layer has nothing to do with why we wait until full colonization to fruit.
We spawn our tubs in open air, so we are introducing millions of contams into it then.
If properly pasteurized, the substrate material is contam resistant, just like the fully colonized grains.
Opening up a bulk substrate/cased grain tray to peek really quick, even if it's not fully colonized, will do nothing bad.
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ghostinthemist said: And your seeing people saying this everyday and you disagree. It's called a consensus....or a fact
And the consensus is that opening a tub before full colonization will not hinder it in any way.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: PussyFart]
#18755461 - 08/25/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hacker ghost is a bigger troll than oldham. Just ignore
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Spore_2_Umbrellas said: Quote: How can trich infect a 100% colonized jar of mycellium???
Also, the trich showed up like 5 days after I put the tub in fruiting condition. Is it a normal amount of time for trich to show up?
RogerRabbit said: Obviously contaminated spawn. RR
Trich won't go from spores to sporulation in five days. Your spawn was contaminated and you just didn't know. RR
This could be your issue. My last fight with trich was with what i thought was a fully colonized HpOO and rye grain mix. I started noticing "whit fuzzy stuff" figured it was new myce. Then i was watering it and bumped it and the center was yellowed and mushy. I took it to my sink and began to rinse the casing off. I ended up having a giant trich egg! The outside was still mostly healthy so semi healthy myce but the inside was gone. This was my fault. I exposed a not fully colonized substrate to open air causing it to contaminate. This is why you do not open your mono, bag, jar before full consolidation. This is not made up it is fact that is based on hands on study and research done on this site. As well as my failures and successes.
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psillyshroomer said: Hacker ghost is a bigger troll than oldham. Just ignore
There with the backhanded words. I have only given information that i can back up with information on this site. You want this OP to just follow what you think because...no justification. Then attack me when you are unable to back up your suggestions. I can back up what i say. You can just be a butthurt 15 year old
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QFT!
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QFT!
These guys butt buddies. The mod told me he is an ass and that i should just ignore him.
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When is someone just going to ban this troll?
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Going to be straight to the point with you ZIG. These two go around flaming on people all the time read there posts. They leave a bad rating to anyone that disagrees with them and like to gang up on posters. They have almost no way to back up there claims or suggestions but with the few pics and grows that they may or may not have really done. If there is no TC popping up in here to correct whats being said then the original answers you got were correct. If you need RR to give you advise on the thread just ask him for his 2 cents. Every fight needs a ref and one that dosen't know the rules shouldn't be put in the middle. I try to do as little flaming as possible but some people just want to think there right without having a way to back up what they are saying. If you think im wrong about opening a substrate before full colonization prove me wrong with info and facts not fuckery. Zig i hope this goes well for you and that it is just myce
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Never. I bring more good info and the mods have already expressed how they feel about you to me.
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llama_police said: When is someone just going to ban this troll?
Never. I bring more good info and the mods have already expressed how they feel about you to me.
Care to share?
I generally won't add anything to a thread unless I know what I am talking about. I am well aware of the fact that I don't know everything and therefore spend more time learning from others rather than pontificating absent knowledge. Or, I will pipe up when someone's being a dick. You may have noticed in your chicken coffin thread that I was offering some assistance with helping people understand your poor grasp on the English language but then you continued to be a dick to me. Sure, you may know what you're doing and have years of experience, but you make all sorts of stupid claims and give bad advice, then troll anyone who disagrees with you.
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quote the bad advise and the and stupid claims
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and quit claiming me to know everything i've never said that i am willing to let bygones be bygones. Just criticize critically and pm me if you think i am wrong and we can argue it out like people that want to learn
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: PussyFart]
#18755719 - 08/25/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ghostinthemist said: quote the bad advise and the and stupid claims
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ghostinthemist said: It looks like colonizing myce but if you have been prematurely opening your bin you maybe looking at a contaminant
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ghostinthemist said: You are uneducated, you go into threads and give horrible advise. NEVER open up a substrate before it's fully colonized.
Why not?
Please elaborate on what you read might happen if you do.
You have yet to elaborate on what opening the tub prematurely can do.
The question should be what credible advice have you given in this thread?
If the substrate is properly pasteurized, and the spawn was fully colonized, they are both contam resistant.
Now explain your theory.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: PussyFart]
#18755832 - 08/25/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just for the record I have only given out 2 bad ratings on the shroomery. One to oldham and one to ghostinthemidst. I don't even know why I am posting this. Most of you guys know better
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You still have no justification to the rating you gave me none of the info i gave out was incorrect
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ghostinthemist said: You still have no justification to the rating you gave me none of the info i gave out was incorrect
Except for what I pointed out....let's not forget about that.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: PussyFart]
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Lets not forget about this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18742468/page/1
My rating was justified. It is not set in stone and can be changed. Quit trolling the cult forum and giving out bunk info and I will change it
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My rating was justified. It is not set in stone and can be changed. Quit trolling the cult forum and giving out bunk info and I will change it
what bunk info i asked you to produce you just keep talking
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Wow...ghost, until you can explain why you think opening a bulk substrate before 100% is going to instantly contam the substrate, you have no room to talk.
It's like you're a fucking child.
Explain your logic bro....it's seriously not that hard.
You keep asking what bunk info are we talking about, and we keep pointing it out and asking for you to elaborate, but you keep going around in circles.
Please explain how the properly pasteurized substrate will contam when you peek, but not when spawned in open air.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: PussyFart]
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Alright it's time to bring this forum back to its normal direction... So after reviewing all the information I could I have made these conclusions of what went wrong and how I'm going to go about fixing them...
I cased the grains on Sunday.... On monday I began to prepare the SGFC for them so that way I could dial it in before the casings were ready... Well after I prepared it, I went into a beginners "high" and got over excited by checking on the pans with casings. Well, when I saw the first sign of mycelium breaking the surface, I was too excited, and decided to "expose the substrate to open air." So yes, I exposed my uncolonized substrate to fruiting conditions. The biggest mistake I made. So I've learned from this huge mistake and am taking actions to fix it. I am going to watch the casings for a few more days to see if they fruit or the trichoderma takes over. Or whatever is in there... Let me describe the pan to you... So there's very "snowy fluffy" myeclium growth over the entire pan and basically in certain spots there's "hyphal knots" (I'm new so maybe they are?). Well the hyphal knots have turned orangish in certain places while certain spots have actually begun to turn a bluish green (What I believe to be trich). There's also yellowish outline to the orangish spots too. What do you guys think this is?
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
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There's the pan in question if anyone can tell with how shitty quality it is with my phone camera. It's an Motorola razr tho so it's decent for it being a phone.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18757421 - 08/25/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A contamination probably. Any color but white mycelium = not good. I have seen bulk subs covered in metabolites fruit before so I'm scared to say. Have to wait until someone with more experience than me chimes in
Btw sorry about this mess on your thread. I should have never responded to it. My bad
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I was on my phone. I just got on my pc and looked at it. It doesn't look bad to me. My screen sucks though. I'm at work
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That's what happened to my B+ bag grow a buddy gave to me. I exposed it too early
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I mean could the greenish/blue spots be bruising but since I see it under 6500k light, it looks green instead of blue? You get what I'm saying with the way our eyes "illusion" us under certain spectrums.
And also maybe the orangish yellow is just metabolites?
What do you guys think? The bluish green is only on one pan and that pan got too heavily misted on the first one by accident. How quick would Trich take over and start to really sporulate and show itself? It's been exposed 6+ days.
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Re: Is this Cobweb? [Re: ziggity]
#18757532 - 08/25/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trich it is....sorry man. The yellowing the greening is all things i have had happen before destroy it before it gets real bad or go bury it.
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ghostinthemist said: Trich it is....sorry man. The yellowing the greening is all things i have had happen before destroy it before it gets real bad or go bury it.
Although it pains me a little to say it, I think this guy's right with this assessment. That looks like trich developing. Are the "hyphal knots" you're referring to clustered and kind of shiny/glossy and bright white? If so, that's going to explode into green in a day or so. I would find it hard to believe that brief early exposure to air is going to cause an outbreak of that magnitude. You probably had a contaminated substrate, so go back and double check your pasteurisation method.
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ghostinthemist said: Trich it is....sorry man. The yellowing the greening is all things i have had happen before destroy it before it gets real bad or go bury it.
Although it pains me a little to say it, I think this guy's right with this assessment. That looks like trich developing. Are the "hyphal knots" you're referring to clustered and kind of shiny/glossy and bright white? If so, that's going to explode into green in a day or so. I would find it hard to believe that brief early exposure to air is going to cause an outbreak of that magnitude. You probably had a contaminated substrate, so go back and double check your pasteurisation method.
LLama, this is for you as well im not trying to be a smart ass just educate ya.
" I have never recommended running a fan in a room with a shotgun terrarium. In fact, it defeats the purpose and disables the natural functioning of the terrarium design. A shotgun terrarium depends on the natural circulation of air. You should keep a window open somewhat to exchange the stale air in the room with fresh air.
As for trich, it loves stale air, and it loves still air. Trich also loves wet surfaces, uncolonized surfaces, and exposed grain on the surface, whether or not they are colonized already with mushroom mycelium.
It isn't an either/or scenario. You want fresh air, AND moving air. Both will help to fight molds and promote mushroom growth. The main reason we air out our grow areas is to stimulate pinning and fruit development, which can't happen in CO2 laden air. The fighting molds aspect is a side-benefit.
Mushroom mycelium can tolerate a high CO2 level. However, it doesn't stimulate it to pin. For pinning you want a low CO2 level, not more than twice ambient. If there's a dozen or more substrates in a closed up closet, the CO2 level will go to 5,000 ppm within a few hours, even if there is a fan going. The air is still stale, just moving. RR"
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