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kr0nik0
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Scarab74 said: Meanwhile, we're about to declare war on Syria . . .

We can only hope. It's a crime that we haven't ousted Assad yet. It's going to be a lot more difficult now that the Syrian public has been so thoroughly thrashed.

Oh yeah that's just what this country needs. More military action and war.
I don't condone us getting into another war, but if you look back not too long ago. The reason why we were able to rebound from the great depression was because of us being in WW2.
War is unfortunately the backbone of this country and always has been.
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: kr0nik0]
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Scarab74 said: Meanwhile, we're about to declare war on Syria . . .

We can only hope. It's a crime that we haven't ousted Assad yet. It's going to be a lot more difficult now that the Syrian public has been so thoroughly thrashed.

Oh yeah that's just what this country needs. More military action and war.
I don't condone us getting into another war, but if you look back not too long ago. The reason why we were able to rebound from the great depression was because of us being in WW2.
War is unfortunately the backbone of this country and always has been.
You cannot solve old problems with old ideas.
War is not the answer. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some involvement by the US/UK to put those chemical weapons there as a reason for invasion.
How many wars started because of a false flag / prior knowledge where nothing was done?
I would really be CAREFUL and take all the media reports with a grain of salt. What motive would Assad really have to use chemical weapons while the world is watching... Critical thinking here...
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zappaisgod said: Yeah? So how have you lost any that you had before?. By the way, you might want to consider every word in that last sentence.
Because they are random searches without probable cause. Must everything be spoon fed?

There's nothing random about them and there is plenty of cause. Try again.
I've never been searched by the TSA outside of the one time I hopped on plane and because of that I dont fly anywhere any more because I choose to make my voice heard by not letting the airlines have my money
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You cannot solve old problems with old ideas.
Not that I would condone any of the wars the media is gunning for, but that's a terrible analogy, you're hungry so you find something to eat. Old problem old solution, could list off more variations than anyone would care to write.
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: kr0nik0]
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kr0nik0 said: I don't condone us getting into another war, but if you look back not too long ago. The reason why we were able to rebound from the great depression was because of us being in WW2.
War is unfortunately the backbone of this country and always has been.
false, the US Economy was already recovering from the depression by 1935 and the climb rate from 1933 to 1950 stayed fairly steady, by 1937 the level of investments were back to the levels of 1929 before the market crash and because of the uncertainty created by programs under The New Deal, the depression actually lasted longer than it should have, kinda like how it's going today with the quantitative easing artificially inflating the markets to make it appear as though the economy is recovering quicker
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Well the exports to countries fighting in WW2 did help the US greatly for years before we entered the war.
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: fapjack]
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The US has been losing its economic superpower status for many years now, just since 2000 the US was once 32% of global GDP, today we are only 21%. Debt to GDP is well over 100%, real wages have been declining for decades, and the distribution of wealth is a disaster as the top 1% continues to grab most of it.
Globalization has made the US worker the big loser in this economic game, yet it has served the wealthy very well, past generations of US workers never had to compete with third world nations, today they do.
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: qman] 2
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I think the reason the US economy grew so fast after WW2 is not because the US was so amazing, it's because it was the only industrialized country that wasn't bombarded the pieces. While all the other countries rebuilt their factories the US' factories kept on producing and exporting to the others that needed rebuilding material and equipment.
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: Patlal]
#18758952 - 08/26/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agreed the only way to move forward is to close the borders and nationlize all industries bring unemployment down to zero everyone works for the state.
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: Patlal]
#18760336 - 08/26/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I think the reason the US economy grew so fast after WW2 is not because the US was so amazing, it's because it was the only industrialized country that wasn't bombarded the pieces. While all the other countries rebuilt their factories the US' factories kept on producing and exporting to the others that needed rebuilding material and equipment.
A chicken dinner for you. It also caused the unbridled rise of toxic unionism and the perversion of employer supplied health insurance.
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kr0nik0 said: I don't condone us getting into another war, but if you look back not too long ago. The reason why we were able to rebound from the great depression was because of us being in WW2.
War is unfortunately the backbone of this country and always has been.
false, the US Economy was already recovering from the depression by 1935 and the climb rate from 1933 to 1950 stayed fairly steady, by 1937 the level of investments were back to the levels of 1929 before the market crash and because of the uncertainty created by programs under The New Deal, the depression actually lasted longer than it should have, kinda like how it's going today with the quantitative easing artificially inflating the markets to make it appear as though the economy is recovering quicker
I wasn't aware of that. I made my comment based on what I've read and have heard from a few different sources. I see that nowadays the recent wars have done nothing but put us into further debt instead of creating jobs back in the 30's and 40's
My question to you is, do you think we need war in order for the US to stabilize the economy further? Or is it the complete opposite?
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: kr0nik0]
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The wars cost about a trillion dollars combined. The debt is about 16 trillion dollars. In 2011 alone the government of the United States gave away a nearly a trillion dollars in public largesse not including soc sec and medicare. The wars amounted to dick in terms of increasing the debt.
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zappaisgod said: The wars cost about a trillion dollars combined. The debt is about 16 trillion dollars. In 2011 alone the government of the United States gave away a nearly a trillion dollars in public largesse not including soc sec and medicare. The wars amounted to dick in terms of increasing the debt.
Right, but do you believe wars in the future could benefit the economy instead of adding to debt? (even if it was only a small amount of debt added in our recent wars)
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Re: The U.S.A [Re: kr0nik0]
#18760628 - 08/26/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do not believe that making something only to destroy it is good for the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
Broken windows. This is similar to the idiocy of the argument that adding government bureaucrat jobs is a positive economic move.
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zappaisgod said: The wars cost about a trillion dollars combined. The debt is about 16 trillion dollars. In 2011 alone the government of the United States gave away a nearly a trillion dollars in public largesse not including soc sec and medicare. The wars amounted to dick in terms of increasing the debt.
The wars also provide incentive to keep our military budget up at a trillion a year, personally I think it should be cut. Not because we don't need a strong military which we certainly do, but because the money isn't being spent in an efficient manner. We have projects costing billions and billions which get scrapped in their final stages over bureaucracy as an example.
IMO what our economy needs is less bureaucrats to fuck shit up, we could have more than we have for a lot less. Stop the drug war and pardon anyone serving on a non-violent drug offense (ending their probation and getting them out of the system, aside from the moral point), that would save us a massive amount of money and bring in revenues.
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zappaisgod said: The wars cost about a trillion dollars combined. The debt is about 16 trillion dollars. In 2011 alone the government of the United States gave away a nearly a trillion dollars in public largesse not including soc sec and medicare. The wars amounted to dick in terms of increasing the debt.
The wars also provide incentive to keep our military budget up at a trillion a year, personally I think it should be cut. Not because we don't need a strong military which we certainly do, but because the money isn't being spent in an efficient manner. We have projects costing billions and billions which get scrapped in their final stages over bureaucracy as an example.
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IMO what our economy needs is less bureaucrats to fuck shit up, we could have more than we have for a lot less. Stop the drug war and pardon anyone serving on a non-violent drug offense (ending their probation and getting them out of the system, aside from the moral point), that would save us a massive amount of money and bring in revenues.
I can agree with 100% of this paragraph
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Sadly we won't likely get any of that in the near future
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zappaisgod said: Yeah? So how have you lost any that you had before?. By the way, you might want to consider every word in that last sentence.
Because they are random searches without probable cause. Must everything be spoon fed?

There's nothing random about them and there is plenty of cause. Try again.
I've never been searched by the TSA outside of the one time I hopped on plane and because of that I dont fly anywhere any more because I choose to make my voice heard by not letting the airlines have my money
"thanks to our hard work at the TSA, not a single airliner has been hijacked with nail clippers"
So why did they search you? Are you a terrorist? Did you feel safer afterwards?
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