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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: g00ru]
#18752859 - 08/24/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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its just with all the billboards and commercials, ads, even most music, it overloads you and makes it harder to pick up on subtle energies.
when was the last time you went a day without staring at a screen for longer than ten seconds?
What does being on a computer have anything to do with picking up on brainwaves?
Being able to pick on subtleties has literally no correlation with how often you go on the computer. Ads, billboards, commercials and music also do not detract from the ability to pick up on subtle details or changes in one's environment or the people around you. People love to act like today's technologies or "overload" of stimuli detract from some ability, but that's simply unfounded IMO. It sounds nice but what's the basis for saying that? Do you think ancient people who were ignorant of most things were more likely to be able to "pick up on subtle energies" or brainwaves? There's really nothing to suggest that is true.
And "subtle energies" =/= brain waves. Our brains are evolved to be excellent at picking up on small changes in facial muscles and body posture that generally correlate to emotion, which is pretty much all we can pick up on as far as "subtle energies" or knowledge of someone else's inner thoughts goes.
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YES ancient people probably could pick up on certain energies more so than we can. And yes I really do think being on a computer numbs you to certain things. It's just one of those things you wont notice it until you try it
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Joie, I didn't mean for you to get stuck on the word brainwaves. I shouldn't have even used that word at all, but like I said earlier, I was on my phone, lazy, in a hurry, and didn't put much thought into my wording. If you read my other post I think you'll better understand what I was trying to convey when I said that.
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: Ballerium]
#18752877 - 08/24/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why are you assuming I haven't tried it?
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g00ru said: YES ancient people probably could pick up on certain energies more so than we can.
Why do you think that? Is there a rational basis here? Most people who say things like this just think ancient people had mystical powers, technology is bad, and other new age unfounded claims.
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Ballerium said: Joie, I didn't mean for you to get stuck on the word brainwaves. I shouldn't have even used that word at all, but like I said earlier, I was on my phone, lazy, in a hurry, and didn't put much thought into my wording. If you read my other post I think you'll better understand what I was trying to convey when I said that.
I'm not stuck on the word, I disagree with the premise entirely.
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: Ballerium]
#18752880 - 08/24/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: I think more people would notice those kinds of things, brain waves and such, if we weren't so de-conditioned to not notice them.
I don't know about you but I was never conditioned not to notice brain waves. We don't have sensory organs specialized to pick up on that sort of thing, and neither do cats. 
its just with all the billboards and commercials, ads, even most music, it overloads you and makes it harder to pick up on subtle energies.
when was the last time you went a day without staring at a screen for longer than ten seconds?
Thank you, you said it better than I did. I was also on my phone when I made that post so I was being a bit lazy in explaining what I meant.
If we depended on being more alert and aware for survival, like a animal out in the wild, I feel that we'd pick up on so many more things going on around us that we tend to tune out.
Yeah man we have specialized feelers and a built in broadcast system. Just because neuroscience hasn't locked on yet doesn't mean its not there. We have outsourced so much of our brainpower into technology and the this society.
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you ever seen a pyramid? that shit is insane. i think if you have any intuition about history or anthropology you have to give the ancients some credit for being advanced in ways that we are not (or at least, are only just now approaching).
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g00ru said: you ever seen a pyramid? that shit is insane. i think if you have any intuition about history or anthropology you have to give the ancients some credit for being advanced in ways that we are not (or at least, are only just now approaching).
In what ways were the ancients more advanced than we are?
A pyramid is just a bunch of blocks. It's impressive for the time it was built in due to lack of current technology but it isn't difficult to make nor is it more advanced than what we can do today.
Also, to address an earlier point I frequently go without looking at a screen for longer than ten seconds. I don't have a smartphone so the only time I'm ever really looking at a screen is when I'm on my laptop at home. Just because the current stereotype of your average young adult is someone desperately attached to their smartphone doesn't mean everyone is that way. Are you projecting or are do you buy into that stereotype?
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Yeah man we have specialized feelers and a built in broadcast system. Just because neuroscience hasn't locked on yet doesn't mean its not there. We have outsourced so much of our brainpower into technology and the this society.
Specialized feelers and a built in broadcast system? What makes you think that?
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I actually think technologies can enhance this awareness if its not used as a distraction. Its an incredible way to connect and communicate, we sometimes feel the other person on the other side of text in real time.
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Lizard Eyes said: Cats are weird dude, when I was having a bad trip the cat that was keeping me company get stuck in a loop it kept doing the EXACT same thing over and over and over again. He would walk into my laundry hamper scratch a couple times meow walk out, walk around it and walk back in. He did this upwards of 20 times. His fur was all standing on end too, its almost like he was having the bad trip with me 
I honestly felt really bad because I could tell he was trying to help me but i was just freaking him out 
That cat probably had OCD. It's some funny shit. A friend of mine had a cat that had OCD and it would trip me the fuck out when I used to blaze over at her house.
The cat would take two steps forward, then two steps back, run around the coffee table, then come back to the original spot doing the weird walking forward/backward again. He would do this for 15 minutes or so. Sounds like the same kind of deal with the cat you're talking about.
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im just agreeing that society is overstimulated...and that it makes us less aware of other aspects of reality. So its good to try and detach from things sometimes.
And yeah the pyramids are just a bunch of blocks but still...we would have a hard ass time making a pyramid like that in this modern society. Same goes for Stonehenge...we have theories how they made that but as for how and more importantly why, it's very mysterious.
to keep on topic
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g00ru said: you ever seen a pyramid? that shit is insane. i think if you have any intuition about history or anthropology you have to give the ancients some credit for being advanced in ways that we are not (or at least, are only just now approaching).
In what ways were the ancients more advanced than we are?
A pyramid is just a bunch of blocks. It's impressive for the time it was built in due to lack of current technology but it isn't difficult to make nor is it more advanced than what we can do today.
Also, to address an earlier point I frequently go without looking at a screen for longer than ten seconds. I don't have a smartphone so the only time I'm ever really looking at a screen is when I'm on my laptop at home. Just because the current stereotype of your average young adult is someone desperately attached to their smartphone doesn't mean everyone is that way. Are you projecting or are do you buy into that stereotype?
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Yeah man we have specialized feelers and a built in broadcast system. Just because neuroscience hasn't locked on yet doesn't mean its not there. We have outsourced so much of our brainpower into technology and the this society.
Specialized feelers and a built in broadcast system? What makes you think that?
I think ancients where just about the same as us now but with different environmental social conditions.
And the feeler thing. Because i feelz it brother.
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: vinsue]
#18752917 - 08/24/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly the same with mine!! Runs around with its ears folded back when it is in its "tripping mode" well i call it that because that's what comes in my mind straight away, and i don't know if this goes to anyone elses cats but out of random mine starts to stare at the air like something is there, most the times it gets scared and goes for a run to a hiding spot it is really wierd but i believe a guardian spirit is watching me.
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: Psychotria]
#18752964 - 08/24/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most if not all do this some more than others. Sometimes i think its something unseen to us but sometimes i think they are just staring at a speck of dust or something small like a spider web string with there keen predator eyes just really focused in and intent.
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JoieDeVivre said: I'm not stuck on the word, I disagree with the premise entirely. 
After a lot of thought, I think I figured out a better way to make sense of my premise in the first place. 
What about things like non-verbal cues and communication that so many people seem to not notice anymore? We don't depend as much on that type of communication anymore because we have verbal and written communication to get our points across. But other animals are more in-tune with that kind of communication and I think we would be too, if it was necessary for us to be. That's where I was going with my whole "de-conditioned" rant. It isn't so much brainwaves, but just paying attention to little things that you normally wouldn't notice that other animals do notice. 
And I guess if you think about it that way, it doesn't seem so mysterious. When I'm high, I probably talk differently to my cat. I probably pet her differently, or maybe my grip is firmer or softer. Maybe she doesn't really know that I'm on something like I seem to think that she does, but is just reacting to the different way that I am treating her.
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: Psychotria]
#18752968 - 08/24/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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My husband's late cat used to hate when my husband was tripping, even though my three, geriatric boys don't seem to care. His would behave suspiciousy, as if the scrambled signals were uncomfortable for him, and mine usually try to cuddle and purr. After his passed, my husband got a calico, and she is a wackadoodle but more agreeable to a tripping mind.
I've always been a cat person. I would love to have a dog in the house, but the self-sufficiency of cats is amazing and appealing.
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: Scarab74]
#18752977 - 08/24/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: WTF is up with cats [Re: Ballerium]
#18752983 - 08/24/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: After a lot of thought, I think I figured out a better way to make sense of my premise in the first place. 
What about things like non-verbal cues and communication that so many people seem to not notice anymore? We don't depend as much on that type of communication anymore because we have verbal and written communication to get our points across. But other animals are more in-tune with that kind of communication and I think we would be too, if it was necessary for us to be. That's where I was going with my whole "de-conditioned" rant. It isn't so much brainwaves, but just paying attention to little things that you normally wouldn't notice that other animals do notice. 
I don't think it's true that "so many people seem not to notice" non-verbal cues. It's hard wired into our brains to notice those things, our survival has depended upon it since the dawn of man and we have evolved to be able to pick up on these cues.
Cats definitely aren't in tune with human facial cues, which is where most emotional expression comes from. However, they are pretty in tune with body language and I think that's an evolutionary thing.
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And I guess if you think about it that way, it doesn't seem so mysterious. When I'm high, I probably talk differently to my cat. I probably pet her differently, or maybe my grip is firmer or softer. Maybe she doesn't really know that I'm on something like I seem to think that she does, but is just reacting to the different way that I am treating her.
I think this might be a lot more likely. But all that is part of your non-verbal communication and body language, so it is true that cats rely heavily on that. I mean, in the wild understanding body language from other animals would be the difference between survival and death in many cases.
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Yeah, exactly. If we were living in the wild and not in the society that we live in today, we'd be a lot better at noticing body language, etc. because it would be necessary for us to do so, which is what I was trying to say all along.
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Also, to address an earlier point I frequently go without looking at a screen for longer than ten seconds. I don't have a smartphone so the only time I'm ever really looking at a screen is when I'm on my laptop at home. Just because the current stereotype of your average young adult is someone desperately attached to their smartphone doesn't mean everyone is that way. Are you projecting or are do you buy into that stereotype?
Huh, I was thinking more like going a whole day without looking at a screen for 10 seconds. I hope theres no one on the planet who has to look at screens literally all day
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It would suck to be the person in charge of watching the security cameras all day long.
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