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FUTURIST
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Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything?
#18752269 - 08/24/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry for my bad typing and spelling... I know I suck.
The Joe Rogan/Rick Strassmen Pseudoscience has made everyone retarded... People blindly believe anything now... with zero proof... For some odd reason people want to believe sooooooo badly that DMT is what happens at birth,death, dreaming and Carry's you into the afterlife... In 23 yrs Rick Strassmen has proved nothing!... And now he says he found DMT in a rats brain... So this is his proof that in fact it is the Spirit molecule!!!... yay!!!!... Rick Strassmen unlocked the secrets to life!!!!.... This is so dumb everyone on Facebook are celebrating like they won the superbowl.. There is a death metal band on Facebook that calls themselves DMT... And they worship DR. Rick Strassmen like a god... And their fans all talk about the Birth,death,dream. facts about DMT everyday... If you are on facebook feel free to question them about facts... They deleted me because I don't think Rick Strassmen is a god... And everyone says to me is, well you don't know everything Strassmen says could be true... thats pretty fuckin weak!... Well can you prove that unicorns don't live on Pluto???... It could be true!... The only smart person I have met when speaking about DMT is Joe Molloy... I wish there were more thinkers like him...
Ok let the bashing of post began!.. All the Rick Strassman nut huggers go!... and btw rick has said many many many times the DMT birth, dream death. was only SPECULATION...
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: FUTURIST] 2
#18752278 - 08/24/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't want to "bash" you, but I will point out that your tone is a bit vitriolic and you kind of come off as a hater/jerk. Last I checked, nobody really liked, or liked to listen to a hater/jerk.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: afrogus]
#18752304 - 08/24/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because it's like religion. People can't accept that they could just cease to exist. Death anxiety to the Max and when you can "prove" to the masses you won't die. You'll get rich as hell from it.
Exploit fear and profit. Should be the motto instead of to protect and serve
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: afrogus]
#18752590 - 08/24/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does this mean you are a kool aid drinker too?... You believe what Strassmen says as fact?
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FUTURIST
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: afrogus]
#18752592 - 08/24/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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afrogus said: I don't want to "bash" you, but I will point out that your tone is a bit vitriolic and you kind of come off as a hater/jerk. Last I checked, nobody really liked, or liked to listen to a hater/jerk.
This is what is on the DMT facebook page...
...Many like to debate if DMT is made within the pineal gland of our mind, which is considered to be our third eye, and is possibly the source and reason behind why we dream at night. The latest research by Dr. Rick Strassman's Cottonwood Research Foundation has started to prove that his hypothesis is correct. DMT is considered to be the spirit molecule, the key ingredient to transporting our spirit into metaphysical realms! If we really think about IT, our dreams are hallucinations, a reflection of the inner workings of our mind, a experience which defies all logic and time. It is believed our body produces this chemical every night and when we are born and when we die, and the latest research is only confirming this Divine Moment of Truth does occur within all of us! Excerpt from the latest studies: "The pineal gland has been an object of great interest regarding consciousness for thousands of years, and a pineal source of DMT would help support a role for this enigmatic gland in unusual states of consciousness. Research at the University of Wisconsin has recently demonstrated the presence of the DMT-synthesizing enzyme as well as activity of the gene responsible for the enzyme in pineal (and retina). Our new data now establish that the enzyme actively produces DMT in the pineal."...
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: FUTURIST]
#18752625 - 08/24/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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you got a point OP i always see joe and picture a idiot. he is always repeating other peoples theory's dude cant think for him self. To me i feel like DMT is a natural crack and i have done neither. from what i have read there is no prof dmt is produced in the pineal gland. But lots of people want to believe it to defend there beliefs. most are gonna believe in entities come when you smoke DMT, but are quick to attempt at debunking Jesus. just a thought
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: Megatrondon]
#18752684 - 08/24/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is no evidence that unicorns live on Pluto.
Strassman has theories (or speculation as he calls it) based on some evidence; at least.
People take that and run with it and it becomes a game of telephone; where "He thinks DMT may be produced..." becomes "He discovered DMT is produced"...
It is such a cool idea that the brain and pineal and it's MAOI properties can trigger a DMT trip and that by using DMT we are really accessing a true spiritual portal... that it deludes people into believing it.
The experience is real; but the reality beyond that experience is doubtful.
In my opinion some things could be true and some things false; but remember: the majority of psychedelic users and enthusiasts are 30 and younger.
Young can = dumb/impressionable and happily spewing "amazing knowledge" just to be "that cool guy who know this stuff".
Otherwise I think it is a simple regurgitation of the telephone game; I doubt many who parrot these claims have even read "The Spirit Molecule".
I don't believe everything anyone says; but I don't automatically discount it as a possibility. I think this is a good way to go about this subject: a mind is like a parachute; it only works if it is open.
Just don't leave your mind so open that the wind whistles betwixt your ears.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: flickedbic]
#18752756 - 08/24/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP...be happy people on facebook are into DMT and have open-minds. Im the only aspiring shaman around here and its quite lonely when everyone else is into clothes molly and shitty music.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: FUTURIST]
#18752786 - 08/24/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's pretty well known that DMT causes certain people to believe extremely unusual things. This has actually been known about since before the western discovery of DMT. Apparently indigenous users in south America used to call DMT "the great liar." I think this is a very accurate description.
Even Rick Straussman stopped experimenting with DMT partially because of the extremely unusual things that some patients began to believe. It was a major problem, and it didn't happen to everyone who used DMT, only a certain percentage. But that percentage would come out of the experience believing bizarre things that no one could talk them out of.
I'm not bashing DMT here. I'm sure it's one of the best and most beautiful psychedelics. It just has some known side effects.
Edited by nooneman (08/24/13 07:25 PM)
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: nooneman]
#18753172 - 08/24/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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People take that and run with it and it becomes a game of telephone; where "He thinks DMT may be produced..." becomes "He discovered DMT is produced"...
Exactly! Strassman merely said that such things were perhaps possible (as the OP himself stated). Never once did he state any of the myths that are now reported everywhere (DMT is produced when u die etc) as fact!
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The Joe Rogan/Rick Strassmen Pseudoscience has made everyone retarded... People blindly believe anything now... with zero proof... For some odd reason people want to believe sooooooo badly that DMT is what happens at birth,death, dreaming and Carry's you into the afterlife...
I don't know who you mean by everyone to be honest! Sure, Strassman's theorizing led to a lot of people passing off mere guesswork as fact, but you're surely confusing everyone with a few ignorant young noobs whom a different everyone patiently correct on a daily basis!
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In 23 yrs Rick Strassmen has proved nothing!
He may not have found a cure for cancer, but then research is exactly that, one cannot be blamed afterwards for not finding something that wasn't there to begin with! Its like calling a scientist an idiot because he came to the conclusion that a certain chemical was to all intents and purposes useless! This in no way makes the research a waste of time!
I think your missing the point that all RS intended and was supposed to do was conduct a series of scientific trials with DMT and report back his findings. Evidently after doing this he obviously must have realized that the material he had collected was fascinating enough to sell as a book. And why not? TSM wasn't supposed to read like a scientific journal, it was entertainment for the public, trip reports pure and simple!
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... And now he says he found DMT in a rats brain... So this is his proof that in fact it is the Spirit molecule!!!... yay!!!!... Rick Strassmen unlocked the secrets to life!!!!.... This is so dumb everyone on Facebook are celebrating like they won the superbowl.. There is a death metal band on Facebook that calls themselves DMT... And they worship DR. Rick Strassmen like a god... And their fans all talk about the Birth,death,dream. facts about DMT everyday... If you are on facebook feel free to question them about facts... They deleted me because I don't think Rick Strassmen is a god...
I don't think that was the only reason they deleted you! Your post is blatantly asking for trouble and you must surely know that posting this rant on a psychedelic forum is going to alienate you from a lot of people here!
Your post reads like you are almost jealous of the good doctor or hateful of DMT or DMT users or something! I don't get why other peoples opinions are causing you so much grief here!
I fully agree there are many who make the mistake of making ridiculous declarative statements when discussing DMT or (especially) Ayahuasca, but you seem to think quite a lot of your own opinions as well buddy!
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Ok let the bashing of post began!.. All the Rick Strassman nut huggers go!...
Have you ever taken a full on dose of DMT bud?
I think often there are some people who try DMT hoping to love it and belong to the gang so to speak, only to find that they fucking hate the DMT experience (I can certainly empathize with this!) and never want to use or be reminded of it ever again! After the experience however they grow hateful even of other people who use it, DMT posts a reminder of their own fear of and failure to cope with it!
Not to accuse or nothing cause obviously I cant know if this is correct or not, but it would seem to explain your rather unreasonable and hateful tone!
Edited by wolf8312 (08/24/13 11:50 PM)
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: wolf8312]
#18753327 - 08/24/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like DMT but I don't like how everyone I've heard speak about it talked of Strassmans speculations as fact. Interesting theories but I seriously doubt them.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: jellyfish]
#18753466 - 08/24/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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its smoke and mirrors, like all the others.
its just fun and
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: FUTURIST]
#18753607 - 08/24/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I too think DMT is a bit overhyped... that being said, the "spirit molecule" is not a positivist idea. There's no notion of "truth" that it has to hold up, since it's a model/metaphor rather than a statement made in a positivist paradigm. Therefore it doesn't need to "prove" itself. It just needs to work, and in a lot of cases it does.
At least it shouldn't be a positivist idea... it fails pretty hard if it is.
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Edited by TribalSkyGod (08/25/13 08:50 AM)
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: TribalSkyGod]
#18753637 - 08/25/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I too think DMT is a bit overhyped
Ah man no way! 
Hyperspace is seriously under-hyped on account of the fact that it is so utterly ineffable! The hype may be highly misleading of course, but full on hyperspace exceeded my very high expectations by a factor of about a gazillion!
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: cubehead87]
#18753718 - 08/25/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are there not perhaps other ways to interpret the DMT experience than considering what you actually saw/felt to be based in reality?
Don't some people analyse the experience as one simply of what the mind is capable of doing rather than seeing?
For example, mightn't some people take DMT and see Ganesh, and this entity felt to be a symbol of love and success or whatever it might be, and they think they actually saw Ganesh, yet couldn't another person interperet Ganesh and the feelings that came with it as just a manifestation of their own subconscious feeling and thoughts?
What if nobody had ever heard of Ganesh, the idea of Ganesh never existed, would anybody ever see Ganesh? Makes me wonder.
You most often hear people reporting their DMT experiences talking about some kind of intelligent, wise entity, could that not be the very measurement of their own higher self, again, their own subconsciousness?
The human mind is incredibly powerful, infinite, and stores every single tiny detail of every memory one has, I might see how the physical manifestation of the self-awareness of that on some level on DMT could come as such an entity.
Ah, so many questions.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: wolf8312]
#18753780 - 08/25/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I too think DMT is a bit overhyped
Ah man no way! 
Hyperspace is seriously under-hyped on account of the fact that it is so utterly ineffable! The hype may be highly misleading of course, but full on hyperspace exceeded my very high expectations by a factor of about a gazillion!
I don't mean to undermine the power of the experience... by overhyped I mean you can achieve the same insight with other psychedelics, and even other methods that don't use entheogens. People paint DMT as some sort of solution to all problems, and while I agree that many solutions to many problems can come from DMT experiences, I think it's more dangerous than helpful to attribute too much to it.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: TribalSkyGod]
#18753886 - 08/25/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I too think DMT is a bit overhyped
Ah man no way! 
Hyperspace is seriously under-hyped on account of the fact that it is so utterly ineffable! The hype may be highly misleading of course, but full on hyperspace exceeded my very high expectations by a factor of about a gazillion!
I don't mean to undermine the power of the experience... by overhyped I mean you can achieve the same insight with other psychedielics, and even other methods that don't use entheogens. People paint DMT as some sort of solution to all problems, and while I agree that many solutions to many problems can come from DMT experiences, I think it's more dangerous than helpful to attribute too much to it.
Nicely said
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: FUTURIST]
#18754195 - 08/25/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cuz they be
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18754292 - 08/25/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You cannot reach the same space/insight as DMT on other psychs.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#18754302 - 08/25/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anything that captures people's imaginations will be subjected to both hype and skepticism. There's always people at the fringes who either believe everything or believe nothing, and why should DMT or psychedelics in general be any different? I think most people are somewhere in the middle. Also, there's no reason to get excited about what a bunch of Facebookers are saying - people who blab shit in facebook discussion groups are idiots by default. I'll put more stock into the discussions that go on here - they're more honest and make more sense.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: Universe]
#18754324 - 08/25/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mmhmm sounds like you haven't reached your breakthrough experience yet.
With high doses, you can see HOW CONNECTED we all are. Heck, you can't even tell your room apart for a few minutes. Feels timeless though.
You gotta up your dose bro. Go big or go home.
300mg from a patient extraction works WONDERS
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: TwinEclipse]
#18754389 - 08/25/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP is pretty much the biggest hater known to man, and I hate that term.
Rick did experiments and simply reported the results. Some people then twisted his words. Big whoop get a life.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#18754405 - 08/25/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lmao DMT gets you high, it doesn't connect you with aliens or beings for real Spirit molecule? Give me a break you are just high people
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#18754425 - 08/25/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are 2 obscene viewpoints on psychedelics. They both are equally stupid.
LSD, magic mushrooms, DMT, etc ARE THE ANSWERS TO THE UNIVERSE! and LSD, magic mushrooms, DMT, etc etc are just drugs and give you delusions. They are fun, but can't help you at all.
The overly zealous mushroom worshippers and the Joe Molly DMT Is bullshit crowd.
Both these view points suck.
The truth is that yes, psychedelics can give you profound insight into what it means to be human, to be having this life experience. How you can get more out of it, how to improve yourself. They can remove your ego and show you what life actually is, something beyond the ordinary filters of your personality, opinions, beliefs, etc. They offer some beautiful experiences that are very enlightening and insightful. Connection with others, more appreciation of life, etc.
Also, they can cause lots of delusional thinking and can totally fuck you up psychologically if you indulge in this stuff not carefully. I ate my fair share of acid and thought everyone including my friends were Illuminati and were trying to keep me aware of LSD and mushrooms because they connected you with god or some shit like that. I had to sober up for a couple weeks before I realized how foolish I was being.
It's not this or that, it's this and that. Both of these things are valid when it comes to psychedelics. They are tools, and if you take these things with the right intent and responsibility, then you will be rewarded. Abuse it and it abuses you.
There shouldn't be this dichotomous thinking when it comes to psychedelics. We all know what they do.
-------------------- “Everybody is fundamentally, the ultimate reality. Not god in the political kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self – the deep down basic whatever there is. And you’re all that… only you’re pretending you’re not.” -Alan Watts I think that in human evolution it has never been as necessary to have this substance LSD. It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be.” ― Albert Hofmann
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: B_BOY]
#18754431 - 08/25/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think you understand the secret answer referred.....
IMO...The answer is that dying isn't so bad, because it is destined to happen. Just part of a cycle, which is part of various phases belonging to a continuum.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: TwinEclipse]
#18754811 - 08/25/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DMT is great. As to what I actually experienced on it, I can't say. What I can say is that I've had a real NDE, and it was very different from a DMT trip.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: Dark_Star]
#18754938 - 08/25/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: DMT is great. As to what I actually experienced on it, I can't say. What I can say is that I've had a real NDE, and it was very different from a DMT trip.
Had a NDE on LSD a few times, everything changed from my first one... (3x hofmanns)
and also went to hyperspace on LSD, on 4-5 grey shivas (think they were tested at about 200-220ug each) saw beings in mid air and felt like flying through the air they communicated with thoughts, didn't say a word, but they seemed curious , looked human/alien like
the room was still there, but overlapping visuals, saw the most amazing beings I've seen in my life spiritual beings it looked like, it's the only word that can describe other times there would be eyes everywhere in the room looking at me, and thoughts being transferred + feelings that what I just received was right
it's interesting how much can change when you don't fear death anymore it changes your whole life situation, appreciating and accepting what you have is easier  changes your whole view on life
but it merely made me remember what I already knew deep inside, no new insights
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: lessismore]
#18754996 - 08/25/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was talking about an NDE as in I overdosed on heroin, wasn't breathing & needed to be resuscitated. Literally near death, not just tripping & feeling like I was dying. That's not to take away from the power of a psychedelic ego-death experience, because that it is an incredible & life changing experience. However an actual NDE is different in my experience.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: Dark_Star]
#18755155 - 08/25/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I was talking about an NDE as in I overdosed on heroin, wasn't breathing & needed to be resuscitated. Literally near death, not just tripping & feeling like I was dying. That's not to take away from the power of a psychedelic ego-death experience, because that it is an incredible & life changing experience. However an actual NDE is different in my experience.
My nde i was an observer of my whole life 3rd person Someone elses life it felt like
Reviewed it all i wasnt a person at that point It changed everything after it
Kinda movie effect Someone else was living my life and i was watching
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: lessismore]
#18755173 - 08/25/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyghing changed after yours?
I dont take anything for granted anymore
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: lessismore]
#18755395 - 08/25/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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From the real NDE, no. There was a brief feeling of gratitude the following day, but it faded towards depression fast. I was in a really bad spot at the time, and was unhappy at being brought back. It wasn't intentional by any means, but the period I was gone was very peaceful, and I had hell to pay afterwards. A lot of people to apologize too, shame, a kick to go through. It took me well over a year to clean up my act afterwards as well, and that eventual cleaning up had nothing to do with the NDE.
The psychedelic ego-death experiences, yes I changed profoundly afterwards. However, keeping that perspective requires work, which I didn't do. So that perspective faded. It's been years since I've gone on a trip of that significance, and so the changes are largely gone. I mean I have the perspective of having had those experiences, but as far as how it affects my daily life today; pretty much not at all. It's actually disappointing to look at where my headspace is, compared to where it was during the time period of those experiences.
These experiences are just that; experiences. What you get out of them, and how they wind up affecting your life is entirely up to you & what you do with it. Don't take this experience & the new perspective it engendered for granted, because if you do nothing with it, it will fade over time.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: nooneman]
#18763881 - 08/27/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: It's pretty well known that DMT causes certain people to believe extremely unusual things. This has actually been known about since before the western discovery of DMT. Apparently indigenous users in south America used to call DMT "the great liar." I think this is a very accurate description.
Even Rick Straussman stopped experimenting with DMT partially because of the extremely unusual things that some patients began to believe. It was a major problem, and it didn't happen to everyone who used DMT, only a certain percentage. But that percentage would come out of the experience believing bizarre things that no one could talk them out of.
I'm not bashing DMT here. I'm sure it's one of the best and most beautiful psychedelics. It just has some known side effects.
My friend group has done a lot of DMT and never after one of my experiences did I suddenly believe something... People are known to adopt all kinds of new ideas when they experience something as powerful as a psychedelic experience.
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Re: Why do people need to believe DMT is the secret answer to everything? [Re: FUTURIST]
#18763913 - 08/27/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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FUTURIST said: I'm sorry for my bad typing and spelling... I know I suck.
The Joe Rogan/Rick Strassmen Pseudoscience has made everyone retarded... People blindly believe anything now... with zero proof... For some odd reason people want to believe sooooooo badly that DMT is what happens at birth,death, dreaming and Carry's you into the afterlife... In 23 yrs Rick Strassmen has proved nothing!... And now he says he found DMT in a rats brain... So this is his proof that in fact it is the Spirit molecule!!!... yay!!!!... Rick Strassmen unlocked the secrets to life!!!!.... This is so dumb everyone on Facebook are celebrating like they won the superbowl.. There is a death metal band on Facebook that calls themselves DMT... And they worship DR. Rick Strassmen like a god... And their fans all talk about the Birth,death,dream. facts about DMT everyday... If you are on facebook feel free to question them about facts... They deleted me because I don't think Rick Strassmen is a god... And everyone says to me is, well you don't know everything Strassmen says could be true... thats pretty fuckin weak!... Well can you prove that unicorns don't live on Pluto???... It could be true!... The only smart person I have met when speaking about DMT is Joe Molloy... I wish there were more thinkers like him...
Ok let the bashing of post began!.. All the Rick Strassman nut huggers go!... and btw rick has said many many many times the DMT birth, dream death. was only SPECULATION...
Sounds like you need a fat dose of deemsters...
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