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freakyfrogz
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: Cornelius Fudge]
#18778300 - 08/30/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cornelius Fudge said: I'm curious, how have they been doing?
Thanks for asking! They are coming along, but nothing spectacular:

I can't seem to get awesome set of pins like this example:

So, I got two hygrometers. One "humidor style" and the other is a terrarium thermometer / humidity combo. I placed them in two sides of the SGFC and they both agree at 80% humidity. I hear that humidity needs to be at 95 to 100%. At the same time, I have a problem that my cakes look too wet! How do I increase the humidity without making the cakes too wet? I hear that if the cakes have too much water, they have no motivation to grow pins and attempt to produce offspring by creating mushrooms and then sporing.
I've been spraying the perlite more than the cakes to try to solve the humidity issue, but no luck yet.
Any thoughts? Thanks again!
Edited by freakyfrogz (08/30/13 11:58 PM)
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: freakyfrogz]
#18781494 - 08/31/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It might just be water content of the original mix before you steamed those jars. Waterloged(heavy cakes and easily mushed) batches just don't perform I error on the dry side if I'm making a cake.
 The cakes I get that pin like this are always light and crumbly not heavy and mushy. Like if you were to squeeze on them they wouldn't mush through your fingers but break apart.
Although sometimes with that prolific of a pinset it's hard to avoid aborts so when mine pin like that I sometimes put them in a dish of water like a pyrex cupcake sized dish thing.
The only time I had waterlog problems is with full pint cakes but those even perform extremely well if you cut the water down a bit, how much is hard to say you really just have to get a feel for field capacity
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (08/31/13 02:17 PM)
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#18783776 - 09/01/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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80% is waaaaayyyy too low. That's your problem.
My humidity monitor always registered 99%
Your perlite was fully hydrated when you put it in? and your temperature in the room is ~80 degrees?
If the above are correct then you need to start taping some holes in that SGFC
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: Cornelius Fudge]
#18783781 - 09/01/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cornelius Fudge said: If the above are correct then you need to start taping some holes in that SGFC
You have been a member here for less than 2 weeks, so I will be gentle when I say this.
Do not give advice on shit you obviously know nothing about....because taping the holes of a SGFC is not going to help anything.
If the SGFC is built right, there is no need for a hygrometer, as the humidity will be perfect.
If the chamber is built right, my first guess would be a faulty cheap uncalibratable unreliable made in china hygrometer.
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Edited by PussyFart (09/01/13 12:58 AM)
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freakyfrogz
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: PussyFart]
#18784765 - 09/01/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: If the chamber is built right, my first guess would be a faulty cheap uncalibratable unreliable made in china hygrometer.
Howdy Notahacker420. I'm hoping that is the case. In my forum searches, I've seen RR say the same thing. I believe I built the SGFC to spec (a picture is earlier in this thread). The perlite was hydrated per the RR video.
Question; what is the impact of the size and quantity of holes in the SGFC? Especially in the bottom of the SGFC.
Thanks again!
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: freakyfrogz]
#18784775 - 09/01/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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freakyfrogz said: Question; what is the impact of the size and quantity of holes in the SGFC? Especially in the bottom of the SGFC.
1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, top and bottom.
Any more or less holes, or bigger or smaller holes, and the chamber will not function as intended.
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: PussyFart]
#18785191 - 09/01/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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He has two humidity monitors, both telling him its 80%, which is way too low for cakes primordia to form and pin ideally.
I have never heard of two freshly bought humidity monitors both giving the same wrong humidity percentage.
If you were to tape some holes, it would raise the humidity. I had to do this with my SGFC, although his looks a lot nicer than mine as though he did make it correctly.
The way the cakes are going it's a pretty shitty flush, he's not going to get much, why not tape a few holes on top and see if it raises the humidity?
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: Cornelius Fudge]
#18785249 - 09/01/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even if both those gauges are correct (which I doubt), do you think that the RH at the surface of the cake (right where the pin formation is going to occur) is at 80%? Taping up the top holes will not raise the humidity anyway. If low humidity is truly the OP's problem (maybe from the fan drying the chamber out), then the way for him to increase it IMO, would be to re moisten the perlite
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: Cornelius Fudge]
#18785372 - 09/01/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cornelius Fudge said: If you were to tape some holes, it would raise the humidity.
If the SGFC was properly built, taping any holes would actually lower the humidity.
But don't take my word for it....let's see what the chambers' designer has to say about it....
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RogerRabbit said: This is extremely bad advice, which has ruined many growers efforts over the years as the search engine here clearly shows. As fresh air is entering and leaving the shotgun terrarium, it's absorbing moisture from the perlite, which is re-moistened each time you mist. Taping holes LOWERS humidity as thousands of noobs have already found out. Humidity NEVER 'leaks' out of a shotgun terrarium. Nature abhors a vacuum, thus as air exits a shotgun terrarium, fresh air is being drawn up through the perlite, creating more humidity. I fail to understand how this basic engineering concept is so difficult to grasp. 
Further, new growers often incorrectly think that humidity is the most important factor, thus they screw up their terrariums trying to make the walls covered with condensation in order to satisfy their piece of shit walmart chinese hygrometer which doesn't work. In addition fresh air is the number 1 pinning trigger, so build the terrarium per the tek and don't tape the darned holes.
There should never be side winds against a terrarium. This is not an outdoor tek, but an indoor one. I've always recommended against running a fan in the room with a terrarium. The shotgun terrarium is engineered to work with the natural air currents in a room, not artificial fan-induced wind. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15325762#15325762
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RogerRabbit said: Taping holes in a properly made shotgun terrarium reduces humidity and fresh air, both of which are very important. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14705707#14705707
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RogerRabbit said: I can't possibly count how many hundreds of times I've posted that running a fan in the room will screw up the operation of a shotgun terrarium, as will taping ANY of the holes, provided you've built it per the shotgun terrarium tek. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13551999#13551999
So like I said, do not give advice on shit you obviously know nothing about.
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Re: PF Tek - What am I doing wrong / why are my first pins looking like this? (pics) [Re: PussyFart]
#18785917 - 09/01/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great advice. I moved the SGFC to walk-in closet where air currents are not as bad. Hopefully that's it.
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