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Forgiveness * 2
    #18751964 - 08/24/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This happened a little while back, but wanted to share it with you all, as it was an intense moment of healing for me.
As sappy as it sounds, my drive for sharing this is to remind you all that are toiling with one healing and growing process or another, that may even be your drive to post here in PSP, that the healing you seek is likely indeed possible...

"Today, in a strange twist of fate, I found myself in a small room, face to face with the man whose blatant negligence directly resulted in the death of my father.

In what was a living moment more so than a fleeting desire or thought, I was on the verge of drawing my knife while grappling his neck and repeatedly thrusting the blade into his throat and face, I could almost smell and feel the warmth of the blood, feel the knife destroying the soft tissue of his eyes and hear the animalistic sounds of his shock, fear and pain.
To most this probably sounds truly terrible and morally detestable,
But it was as real and natural as the lion crushing the throat of his prey, there was no shred of malice or anger present within myself.

There was no voice in my head or angel on my shoulder holding me back.
Nor was there a devil hissing in my ear to go forth.
It was silence, a directionless moment, staring into his eyes.

In this moment of witnessing, I bore witness to what he was.
A feeling of love and acceptance of this being filled my heart.

As I walked away from this situation, tears filled my ducts but did not roll down my face.
I felt as if I was in the presence of my father and something else which is indescribable, it felt as if there was no weight to me.

It was what my dad would have wanted… I could feel it.

In that moment I had found forgiveness."


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis] * 1
    #18752034 - 08/24/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I bet that was one hell of an intense meeting.

Thanks for sharing such an intimate moment with us. It sounds like you came out of the experience on top, and that is good to hear.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18752663 - 08/24/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Raven Gnosis said:
This happened a little while back, but wanted to share it with you all, as it was an intense moment of healing for me.
As sappy as it sounds, my drive for sharing this is to remind you all that are toiling with one healing and growing process or another, that may even be your drive to post here in PSP, that the healing you seek is likely indeed possible...

"Today, in a strange twist of fate, I found myself in a small room, face to face with the man whose blatant negligence directly resulted in the death of my father.

In what was a living moment more so than a fleeting desire or thought, I was on the verge of drawing my knife while grappling his neck and repeatedly thrusting the blade into his throat and face, I could almost smell and feel the warmth of the blood, feel the knife destroying the soft tissue of his eyes and hear the animalistic sounds of his shock, fear and pain.
To most this probably sounds truly terrible and morally detestable,
But it was as real and natural as the lion crushing the throat of his prey, there was no shred of malice or anger present within myself.

There was no voice in my head or angel on my shoulder holding me back.
Nor was there a devil hissing in my ear to go forth.
It was silence, a directionless moment, staring into his eyes.

In this moment of witnessing, I bore witness to what he was.
A feeling of love and acceptance of this being filled my heart.

As I walked away from this situation, tears filled my ducts but did not roll down my face.
I felt as if I was in the presence of my father and something else which is indescribable, it felt as if there was no weight to me.

It was what my dad would have wanted… I could feel it.

In that moment I had found forgiveness."





Bullshit.  Sorry I am not buying it.  You would have strangled him at a minimum.  Obviously by using quotes this isn't really your story.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18753771 - 08/25/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Raven Gnosis said:
This happened a little while back, but wanted to share it with you all, as it was an intense moment of healing for me.
As sappy as it sounds, my drive for sharing this is to remind you all that are toiling with one healing and growing process or another, that may even be your drive to post here in PSP, that the healing you seek is likely indeed possible...

"Today, in a strange twist of fate, I found myself in a small room, face to face with the man whose blatant negligence directly resulted in the death of my father.

In what was a living moment more so than a fleeting desire or thought, I was on the verge of drawing my knife while grappling his neck and repeatedly thrusting the blade into his throat and face, I could almost smell and feel the warmth of the blood, feel the knife destroying the soft tissue of his eyes and hear the animalistic sounds of his shock, fear and pain.
To most this probably sounds truly terrible and morally detestable,
But it was as real and natural as the lion crushing the throat of his prey, there was no shred of malice or anger present within myself.

There was no voice in my head or angel on my shoulder holding me back.
Nor was there a devil hissing in my ear to go forth.
It was silence, a directionless moment, staring into his eyes.

In this moment of witnessing, I bore witness to what he was.
A feeling of love and acceptance of this being filled my heart.

As I walked away from this situation, tears filled my ducts but did not roll down my face.
I felt as if I was in the presence of my father and something else which is indescribable, it felt as if there was no weight to me.

It was what my dad would have wanted… I could feel it.

In that moment I had found forgiveness."





Bullshit.  Sorry I am not buying it.  You would have strangled him at a minimum.  Obviously by using quotes this isn't really your story.




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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18753844 - 08/25/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

While I agree that forgiveness can be personally beneficial, I do not believe that is your story.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: GilbertC06]
    #18754787 - 08/25/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't understand why no one is believing him.. maybe I'm gullible, but I've had experiences when I envisioned severe, gory violence in the presence of someone who had harmed me (and I had the self-restraint to not act upon it), so I can relate. Of course, the harm that person inflicted wasn't in the form of taking the life of someone I loved. Unfortunately, my experience didn't end with forgiveness... just more tension. I think with the right mindset, though, one could find and feel forgiveness in that instance.

He also didn't give much context to the story; he could've been recounting an execution or similar situation where he had no physical access to the person (behind glass, bars, etc). Not that it would matter what the context was, though.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18754809 - 08/25/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I once got some regular fries when I ordered extra large.



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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Penelope_Tree] * 2
    #18754833 - 08/25/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I believe him.  When it comes to violence I usually believe people.  They are almost always capable of extremes.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Icelander]
    #18754841 - 08/25/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Forgiveness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18754999 - 08/25/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18755497 - 08/25/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand why no one is believing him.. maybe I'm gullible, but I've had experiences when I envisioned severe, gory violence in the presence of someone who had harmed me (and I had the self-restraint to not act upon it), so I can relate. Of course, the harm that person inflicted wasn't in the form of taking the life of someone I loved. Unfortunately, my experience didn't end with forgiveness... just more tension. I think with the right mindset, though, one could find and feel forgiveness in that instance.

He also didn't give much context to the story; he could've been recounting an execution or similar situation where he had no physical access to the person (behind glass, bars, etc). Not that it would matter what the context was, though.




For one thing, it's italicized and in quotes which is way too formal for this forum.

Then it's pretty well written. It's written in a way that would appeal to a general audience rather than random forum users. Either he presented this publicly a while back, or it was taken from someone else.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: GilbertC06] * 2
    #18756848 - 08/25/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, because there aren't any other options. :rolleyes:


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18757801 - 08/25/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think people should keep their man- hating feelings to themselves... fucking idiots!


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #18758258 - 08/26/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why deny our animal heritage and proclivity towards violence. Denial won,t make you a better organism.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18758296 - 08/26/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

For me it only makes sense to forgive someone, if this someone doesn't do that harm again or doesn't inflict additional harm that way :hehehe:


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18758603 - 08/26/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There is no actual violence in this story, only the imagining of it.  Reading comprehension ftw.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Penelope_Tree] * 1
    #18762134 - 08/27/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you Penelope.
Sorry for the late response, I took an impromptu 2 day trip to the coast. :sun:

For anyone that thinks this is not my story, I challenge you to search the hell out of it, as you will find it nowhere but right here and on my facebook page (which is private) from the day I posted it.
Some of you here know about the loss of my father, some of you don't so I can't be offended by your skepticism. (I am somewhat flattered by your accusations of plagiarism though. :blush:)
The context in which it was written was visiting my doctor, he was on leave that day and I was not informed.
The doctor who dropped the ball repeatedly for years and told my father he was imagining his symptoms and to go home (It was a very treatable form of cancer with a high survival rate. He died two weeks after diagnoses, this is how long it went untreated.) filled in for him.

I am a writer, it is one of my mediums of expression and arguably my best.

I have forgiven him, but he is a bad doctor and undoubtedly is still wreaking havoc on people's lives.
This is the difficult part for me, because I forgive him, I do not feel the need personally to draw a lot of attention to him.
But at the same time feel a moral obligation to share publicly my story and his name.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis] * 1
    #18762144 - 08/27/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The context in which it was written was visiting my doctor, he was on leave that day and I was not informed.
The doctor who dropped the ball repeatedly for years and told my father he was imagining his symptoms and to go home (It was a very treatable form of cancer with a high survival rate. He died two weeks after diagnoses, this is how long it went untreated.) filled in for him.




I hope that doctor falls on a pointed object.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Cactilove] * 1
    #18762164 - 08/27/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Someone has to...

I personally would not wish upon his children (assuming he has them) the sort of pain I felt and still do and will until the day I die, born of the rift in my soul my fathers death has created.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis] * 1
    #18762174 - 08/27/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is true.

No point in spreading the suffering to his children.

Sad to think how many others may suffer due to his incompetence however.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18762445 - 08/27/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Someone has to...

I personally would not wish upon his children (assuming he has them) the sort of pain I felt and still do and will until the day I die, born of the rift in my soul my fathers death has created.




This crap is not uncommon within the medical profession unfortunately.  I rarely take their word on anything.  Why did not your father seek a second opinion?  Seems the responsible and wise thing to do.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Icelander]
    #18763723 - 08/27/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Sad to think how many others may suffer due to his incompetence however.




Tizz my dilemma...
I've basically let it go out of forgiveness and don't think about it often.
But when I stop to think about it and as the number of times thinking about it accumulate, the moral aspect of not doing something bugs me.

We tried to sue the insurance company which employs him, but were immediately informed by the lawyer we hired that trying to sue such a large corporation will result in them financially running us into the ground through their ability to drag out the court proceedings.
Recently, I have came to the personal conclusion that my mom gave up easy, due to her


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This crap is not uncommon within the medical profession unfortunately.  I rarely take their word on anything.  Why did not your father seek a second opinion?  Seems the responsible and wise thing to do.




My father had little reason not to trust his opinion, as he thought it was just the typical aches and pains of getting old and working in a somewhat physical career field.
There was a cancer scare several years before and the second opinion he got agreed with his primary doctor. Either because he too, was lazy and incompetent or just read through his report and was all- "Well, dats likely, I got other things 2 deal wif today" :flowstone:


Unfortunately, the blatant signs were not apparent until it was too late. The cancer had metastasized throughout his entire body. His body did an incredible job of not giving up the ghost for a lack of better words.
It was 2 weeks between his diagnoses and death and in between that short time, I watched him transform from a normal man, into a holocaustesque gaunt skeleton.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18763997 - 08/27/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Tizz my dilemma...
I've basically let it go out of forgiveness and don't think about it often.
But when I stop to think about it and as the number of times thinking about it accumulate, the moral aspect of not doing something bugs me.


The people have indirectly chosen this man as doctor, so you're having irrational compassion IMO.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18764126 - 08/27/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Rationality to me seems to be dependent on a desired outcome to that which one perceives as rational in order for it to be so.

and I'm honestly not quite sure what you mean about the compassion.
Care to break it down?


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18764259 - 08/27/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You feel sorry or care for current and future patients of this doctor, but ultimately these patients/people have indirectly chosen this doctor to be a doctor.

No reason to feel sorry IMO.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: liquidlounge] * 1
    #18764309 - 08/27/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think this man chose himself to be a doctor, all the work and debt he put himself into so he could make a lot of money being a lousy doctor.
Takes a lot of time and dedication.

I think it's fair to expect a man whose gone through lots of schooling to be capable of doing efficiently what he was taught to do.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18764400 - 08/27/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think this man chose himself to be a doctor, all the work and debt he put himself into so he could make a lot of money being a lousy doctor.
Takes a lot of time and dedication.


Yes, but he's a product of society.

I think it's fair to expect a man whose gone through lots of schooling to be capable of doing efficiently what he was taught to do.

Is there something wrong with the man, society or both?

Why would a healthy society be so fucked up as to create such an irresponsible man as doctor?


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18764792 - 08/27/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see it as a matter of right or wrong.
There is nothing inherently 'wrong' with the suffering he spreads, but you can count on the majority of people not being happy with it or him and it effecting the collective well being of the people.
It is a reflection of his shortcomings, our shortcomings.

It makes me think of the ten commandments, I do not see them as the word of 'God' itself, but the wisdom brought into the tribe by the shaman figure as simple guidelines for maintaining peace and health within' the tribe.


Yes, he is a product of society, but society is also a product and reflection of us, and can be molded and changed, like ourselves.
We are responsible to some degree in how we shape ourselves and detail the experiences and enculturation we are given.

There are many things in my life which I have had no control, I did not choose for my dad to die.

Yet-
There are many directions I could have gone with that grief, I could have allowed it to make me a very bitter, closed off person. I could channel (and still can) my pain into a sort of malice that I can direct toward others.
I could also just be lazy with the wisdom gained and do nothing with it, or let my wounds fester and do nothing with them, remain stagnant.

I have chosen to look deep into the pain and the awareness of my mortality his death has brought and learn more about it, and cultivate awareness and empathy from it and share it with others.
This is choice and requires self discipline.

We may not have total control over who we are, but we can certainly influence what we do with that and how it is expressed.
I see it as symbiotic, and I see it as a form of diffusion of responsibility to blame solely societal/cultural influences and ignore the subjective world of humans from which these societies and cultures are born from to begin with
Just another excuse not to look within.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18764922 - 08/27/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see it as a matter of right or wrong.

If you don't want people to suffer due to a terrible doctor, the doctor is most certainly wrong in your opinion? Moral aspect as you wrote.

Yes, he is a product of society, but society is also a product and reflection of us, and can be molded and changed, like ourselves.

The people indirectly chose this man as a doctor.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: liquidlounge] * 2
    #18765026 - 08/27/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't need to be wrong. I honestly don't know what that is when I really think about it.

It conflicts with what is in my heart. And because it does, doesn't make it right or wrong, it doesn't give it whatever these qualities are.

I think of it more from a health perspective, this doctor is just not functioning properly and needs to be realigned to serve the function it was designed for.

People go to the doctor for help, and through the trusted company he works for, are assured great care through various mediums.
Malpractice is malpractice,  I don't see any need to assign and focus on blame, as the circumstances that allow it to flourish are dependent on the people in need, the doctor himself as well as the company he works for that touts great care.

Why concern ourselves with blame when we can put that energy toward finding resolve?


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18765050 - 08/27/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why concern ourselves with blame when we can put that energy toward finding resolve?

Why bother?

As previously written, the man creates this doctor through society. Fuck 'em.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18765064 - 08/27/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Sad to think how many others may suffer due to his incompetence however.




Tizz my dilemma...
I've basically let it go out of forgiveness and don't think about it often.
But when I stop to think about it and as the number of times thinking about it accumulate, the moral aspect of not doing something bugs me.

We tried to sue the insurance company which employs him, but were immediately informed by the lawyer we hired that trying to sue such a large corporation will result in them financially running us into the ground through their ability to drag out the court proceedings.
Recently, I have came to the personal conclusion that my mom gave up easy, due to her


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This crap is not uncommon within the medical profession unfortunately.  I rarely take their word on anything.  Why did not your father seek a second opinion?  Seems the responsible and wise thing to do.




My father had little reason not to trust his opinion, as he thought it was just the typical aches and pains of getting old and working in a somewhat physical career field.
There was a cancer scare several years before and the second opinion he got agreed with his primary doctor. Either because he too, was lazy and incompetent or just read through his report and was all- "Well, dats likely, I got other things 2 deal wif today" :flowstone:


Unfortunately, the blatant signs were not apparent until it was too late. The cancer had metastasized throughout his entire body. His body did an incredible job of not giving up the ghost for a lack of better words.
It was 2 weeks between his diagnoses and death and in between that short time, I watched him transform from a normal man, into a holocaustesque gaunt skeleton.





Well he may have been very lucky and you must consider that also.  Much of the pain in cancers comes from the treatment.  My brother in law is going through that now.  While they predict several years before the cancer kills him in the mean time the radiation and chemo has made his life a living hell.  And I do mean a living hell.  He spends his nights and days moaning in pain, unable to walk and waiting for the next dose of pain meds with no guarantee things are going to get any better.  I think I'd have rather been your dad.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Icelander]
    #18765166 - 08/27/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Once again, I see that as diffusion of responsibility and excuses his responsibility for himself and puts it onto others who do not directly control the medium of science and its practice in which he was trained.
(another excuse not to look at ourselves, and within ourselves.)

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Well he may have been very lucky and you must consider that also.  Much of the pain in cancers comes from the treatment.  My brother in law is going through that now.  While they predict several years before the cancer kills him in the mean time the radiation and chemo has made his life a living hell.  And I do mean a living hell.  He spends his nights and days moaning in pain, unable to walk and waiting for the next dose of pain meds with no guarantee things are going to get any better.  I think I'd have rather been your dad.




Indeed, a couple months after my Dad died, I watched my uncle go through that shit. He did not die as comfortable of death (if you can call it that) as my Dad.

All of this of course turned me onto understanding cancer and the business behind cancer.
This man is onto something.



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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18765275 - 08/27/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We usually all live to long imo.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Icelander]
    #18765374 - 08/27/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All just working to find 'dem ways to avoid having to face for real our fear of dying that much longer. :lol:


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis] * 1
    #18765585 - 08/27/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Powerful stuff, Raven.  Your words are piercing, and inspiring. 

As to this man-child of a doctor,

If deep interest in a subject was the primary guiding factor in the reason for career and education, and if the education system put more effort in the development of interest in students throughout their years in school, and weeded out the disinterested... wait, there I go dreaming again.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18767140 - 08/28/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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All just working to find 'dem ways to avoid having to face for real our fear of dying that much longer. :lol:




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This man is onto something.






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Re: Forgiveness [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18962505 - 10/11/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You are just children without power.


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Jaegar] * 1
    #18962512 - 10/11/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You are just children without power.




We all are but like to pretend otherwise. :thumbup:


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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18962598 - 10/11/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah we are all god but deceive ourselves from the inevitable truth. LOL


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