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cocaine epidemic
    #18751428 - 08/24/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cocaine is everywhere.  haha  :rail2:
But seriously, everday i look at my google new alerts, theres a shit list of cocaine bust.  Im talking Big Kilos, multi-million busted everyday all around the world.  Way too many to count and post.  Its like, when is it all gonna end?  its never gonna stop you know.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
    #18751448 - 08/24/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

to bad all the cocaine is of the shit variety..

well i guess not in florida.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: rackem]
    #18751462 - 08/24/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

shitty coke is the worst


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18751489 - 08/24/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like ecstasy is more the problem these days

too bad coke is pointlessly shitty drug...


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: topdog82]
    #18751659 - 08/24/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like heroin is destroying more per minute then anything else.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: snoot]
    #18751667 - 08/24/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel like heroin is destroying more per minute then anything else.



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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: snoot]
    #18751673 - 08/24/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Pain killers are where it's at in my neck of the woods. All the coke is shit and expensive.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: lil_demented]
    #18751675 - 08/24/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

heroin is exploding in small towns, its crazy. Good thing the marines are protecting all the poppy fields.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: snoot]
    #18751758 - 08/24/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel like heroin is destroying more per minute then anything else.





Agreed

Having lived in a (hispanic) area/large city/state where both coke and tar were good, cheap and plentiful, I heard of maybe 5 OD's that were "coke-related" (reason for quotes is most/all were in combination with other drugs, alcohol being the most predominant).

On the other hand, there was a handful of H overdoses every day. Most of these were also cocktails and older users (namely benzos and cocaine), but a couple times I heard (on the news/paper) of 16-17 year olds dying from H alone. I assume most of these kids recently made the switch from smoking to IV.

Still, kid or seasoned-junkie, its always troubling to hear and I have no doubt that it (h) will always be more of a risk to the user than coke.

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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: snoot] * 1
    #18751824 - 08/24/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel like heroin is destroying more per minute then anything else.




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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #18751888 - 08/24/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

cocaine is just the small tip of the iceberg. it's the mentality of the masses that is the problem.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 1
    #18751963 - 08/24/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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cocaine is just the small tip of the iceberg. it's the mentality of the masses that is the problem.



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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: topdog82]
    #18752027 - 08/24/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Meh, cocaine is alright but too short a high.

Meth on the other hand is great because it last so long.

I can never understand why people get addicted to coke. I was on amphetamines for awhile and i was addicted to high doses of vyvanse because it lasted so damn long and felt good the whole time.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: xbloodwhipx] * 1
    #18752104 - 08/24/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

coke doesnt have shit on H and rx pills


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420]
    #18752110 - 08/24/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Any addictive drug is damaging. It radically changes behavior even when the addict is sober.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Patlal]
    #18752191 - 08/24/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've seen a lot more destruction from meth personally.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #18752199 - 08/24/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

In my opinion coke is an evil, evil drug, lol. And I say this from experience.

But anyway I think that probably with what is going on coke wise today pales in comparison with what went on in the 80's. Particularly in Miami. That was on a biblical scale.

I mean fuck according to some people half of the entire city of Miami was built off cocaine money.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420]
    #18752203 - 08/24/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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coke doesnt have shit on H and rx pills



werddddddd. Way better drugs available


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: topdog82]
    #18752205 - 08/24/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cocaine epidemic was the 80s...this thread is 30 years late.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Patlal]
    #18752320 - 08/24/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
I've seen a lot more destruction from meth personally.





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In my opinion coke is an evil, evil drug, lol. And I say this from experience.

But anyway I think that probably with what is going on coke wise today pales in comparison with what went on in the 80's. Particularly in Miami. That was on a biblical scale.

I mean fuck according to some people half of the entire city of Miami was built off cocaine money.





this.

And '70's, I'd imagine..I think heroin and meth(and rx pills, obviously) have overtaken coke - it's still around, but there are cheaper and more consistently pure options that are easily available.

My nose reaaaally doesn't like insufflation and I'm college student broke, so it's just not something I find worth the money. I do hear coke brought up more than meth in my social circles and at parties, not counting my ex-tweaker friends who don't touch the stuff anymore, it seems like the latter is still the more "taboo" of the two even among drug users.


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Any addictive drug is damaging. It radically changes behavior even when the addict is sober.





Yeah, it's sad. It can turn people into shells of their former selves even when they're sober. It's happened to me with short term abuse/addiction of prescription drugs(they're no better and I know shroomery folks realize this, but most people seem to overlook those things when the doctor is their drug dealer) that in the past.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: topdog82]
    #18752331 - 08/24/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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coke doesnt have shit on H and rx pills



werddddddd. Way better drugs available



I'd rather have an ounce of pure coke rather than a kilo of china white or 5,000 of any RX, other than amphetamine salts, I'd gladly take 5,000 30mg IR's :shrug:


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: pirate-blues]
    #18752343 - 08/24/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

its too expensive, and with MD so prevalent it don't seem worth it.
 
plus opiates season is go so all the free pods i want.  :homerpods:


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: unknown1123]
    #18752431 - 08/24/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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trippinballs420 said:
coke doesnt have shit on H and rx pills



werddddddd. Way better drugs available



I'd rather have an ounce of pure coke rather than a kilo of china white or 5,000 of any RX, other than amphetamine salts, I'd gladly take 5,000 30mg IR's :shrug:




im saying epidemic wise.....not everyone like H, not everyone likes coke...it just depends on what kinda drugs you enjoy


in my mind tho an ounce of pure coke is worth 2k, that kilo of heroin is worth over 500k and 5000 roxi 30s right now would have the potential of being worth over 175k

but thats just me :shrug:

but IMO the opiate epidemic is way worse than the coke/crack "epidemic"is right now


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420]
    #18753334 - 08/24/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

CA-CA-COCAINE!!


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Blak]
    #18753430 - 08/24/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Heroin and cocaine don't have shit on the destructive power of meth.  Especially since so many college students are now abusing Adderall and other amphetamines, which I'd argue makes it easier for them to rationalize future meth use.

But yeah, if we're just talking about H vs C, I'd say that cocaine is more destructive.  It's directly cardiotoxic (incredibly more so when mixed with booze, which is done frequently), and the nature of the drug makes it so coke fiends will keep buying all night long to keep that dopamine rush going, as opposed to junkies who will nod out contentedly without fiending for more until another six hours or so goes by.  Of course junkies can OD off opiates, but I think coke will ruin your life more in the short term.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: deCypher] * 2
    #18753440 - 08/24/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

marijuana is the biggest problem facing our society
we seriously need to fucking step up and do something about it
every day weed causes so much pain and suffering
when the world is weed free, the world will know peace


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
    #18753449 - 08/24/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We don't have anything in these parts except for extremely overpriced, extremely cut coke.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
    #18753454 - 08/24/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've come across my fair share of coke over the years and always found it to be just meh. Nothing special. Mostly during that time, I was doing meth though, which is way stronger and longer. I'd do coke again if I came across some from a trusted source or if I went to S America or something.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18753467 - 08/24/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard there's been meth around these parts lately. It's destroying people all over the place nowadays. :sad:


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
    #18753593 - 08/24/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing worse than hanging out with a crowd and you're all doing coke that makes everyone fart/shit :thumbdown:


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #18753599 - 08/24/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

haha right? I'll only do good coke. Most cuts seem to give me shitty side affects.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: deCypher]
    #18753855 - 08/25/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Heroin and cocaine don't have shit on the destructive power of meth.  Especially since so many college students are now abusing Adderall and other amphetamines, which I'd argue makes it easier for them to rationalize future meth use.

But yeah, if we're just talking about H vs C, I'd say that cocaine is more destructive.  It's directly cardiotoxic (incredibly more so when mixed with booze, which is done frequently), and the nature of the drug makes it so coke fiends will keep buying all night long to keep that dopamine rush going, as opposed to junkies who will nod out contentedly without fiending for more until another six hours or so goes by.  Of course junkies can OD off opiates, but I think coke will ruin your life more in the short term.




id have to disagree on the H not having shit on meth.....in fact id be willing to bet more americans are addicted to opiates/heroin than are addicted to meth. and most DEFINITELY more people addicted to heroin world-wide than meth.

IME in rehabs, halfway houses, AA/NA, there have been FAR more heroin users than meth.....now the destructive power, anything someone is psychologically addicted to will do that, that isnt strictly a meth thing or a heroin thing, however the physical side is a totally different story, cocaine having a much more mild withdrawal physically compared to H

not really all that sure on meth w/d tho having never personally dealt with it :shrug: but do you have any experience with opiates? i have quite a bit of experience with them and know first hand the destructive power of addiction...just because you nod out doesnt mean you dont spend your money like you would on blow.....i can get a ball of blow for 120 that would last me a whole day.....i could get a bundle for 100 and be nodded for 18hrs then back into dope sickness and more heroin.

really all addiction is just as destructive, but as far as looking at it from a strictly physical stand-point, i think heroin takes the cake (i am probably a bit biased being an opiate addict of 5 years)


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420] * 1
    #18753882 - 08/25/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

opiates dont really fuck with your body the way other drugs do

opiates will fuck with your opiate tolerance

but the bad stuff comes from needles and sticking needles in your veins

A lot of people die on prescription painkillers, I do not know why but I figure it's just an easy way to go for some people

I know tons people that died from heroin just because they didn't have a sitter

I actually laugh when people talk about having a sitter for shrooms I think it's dumb unless you need to go somewhere

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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Konyap]
    #18753893 - 08/25/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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but the bad stuff comes from needles and sticking needles in your veins





id have to disagree there too...i know 2 people who overdosed and died from snorting Heroin and prescription pain killers, neither ever having shot up a day in their life.

i also personally have never shot up, and i stole tens of thousands of dollars worth of shit to fuel my addiction

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A lot of people die on prescription painkillers, I do not know why but I figure it's just an easy way to go for some people




i preferred oxycodone to heroin, and all other opiates. i would take whatever opiate i could get to get rid of the sickness but oxycodone was what i used 95% of the time....i got a certain euphoric feeling from oxy i didnt get from heroin, hard to describe.

also i know a SHITLOAD of people who think prescription drugs are okay in any amount just because they are given out by doctors and sold in pharmacies...cause a doctor would NEVER give anyone anything that could be harmful


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420]
    #18753896 - 08/25/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

CA: like a buncha weed and more xanaxim fucking high


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18753909 - 08/25/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i was talking about the way it interacts with your body

a lot of people have Hep C and sticking a needle in your vein will lead to your veins collapsing and generally gnarly shit.

if people do shit and O.D. they're clueless and should have had a sitter, there are plenty of resources to know what an active dose is.


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    #18753914 - 08/25/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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CA: like a buncha weed and more xanaxim fucking high



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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Konyap]
    #18753948 - 08/25/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i was talking about the way it interacts with your body

a lot of people have Hep C and sticking a needle in your vein will lead to your veins collapsing and generally gnarly shit.




ah i thought you meant like the losing of friends/wife/kids/house/job when you said bad stuff

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if people do shit and O.D. they're clueless and should have had a sitter, there are plenty of resources to know what an active dose is.




for prescription pain killers, yes you are 100% right....there are plenty of resources to accurately dose yourself...but heroin doesnt fall into that category due to it being cut, stomped on, and passed through 100 hands before reaching the user.

also back in baltimore and philly when i lived in the area, people would OD and die all the time because a dealer would get a bunch of H, cut it with fentanyl to make what seems to be a bomb ass batch....junkie shoots usual dose, and ODs, ends up in the hospital or dead and word spreads who they got that raw from, dealer  stomps on the rest of the batch and makes bank rolls when all the junkies come flocking expecting that good shit

also dude what fucking addict/junkie has a sitter? what am i gonna have someone watch me 24/7? cause thats how often i was doped up. ive never even heard of anyone having a "sitter" while they did opiates


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420]
    #18753951 - 08/25/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've never heard of someone dying when they had a sitter.:shrug:

but interesting I read that the active dose for heroin is like 1/300ths of what you can take, wild stuff, would never take it ever.


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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: trippinballs420]
    #18753953 - 08/25/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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id have to disagree on the H not having shit on meth.....in fact id be willing to bet more americans are addicted to opiates/heroin than are addicted to meth. and most DEFINITELY more people addicted to heroin world-wide than meth.




Actually you're incorrect, according to stats from 2007 at least, which say that 13.5 million people in the world abuse opioids versus 24.7 million people abuse amphetamine-type stimulants.  In the US there were 153,000 users of heroin alone compared to 529,000 people who regularly use meth.  So I think it's pretty safe to say that meth abuse is much more prevalent than heroin, and from what I've read elsewhere it seems that meth use is also increasing at a staggering rate, most likely because of the ease of manufacture (since you can do it by yourself with just a few easily obtainable precursors compared to heroin which needs, like, an actual poppy field :lol:).

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now the destructive power, anything someone is psychologically addicted to will do that, that isnt strictly a meth thing or a heroin thing, however the physical side is a totally different story, cocaine having a much more mild withdrawal physically compared to H




Sure, heroin has extremely unpleasant physical withdrawals compared to methamphetamine, but AFAIK methamphetamine is more psychological addicting (I remember a study that said IV meth users have the highest rate of recividism out of any other class of drug users, or in other words the highest rate of relapse to their DOC compared to other junkies and addicts).  Of course they're both extremely powerful drugs that can bring people to rock bottom in the blink of an eye.

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not really all that sure on meth w/d tho having never personally dealt with it :shrug: but do you have any experience with opiates? i have quite a bit of experience with them and know first hand the destructive power of addiction...just because you nod out doesnt mean you dont spend your money like you would on blow.....i can get a ball of blow for 120 that would last me a whole day.....i could get a bundle for 100 and be nodded for 18hrs then back into dope sickness and more heroin.




I was an IV H addict for over four years (am currently on methadone) so I know well how much of a pull opiates can have, but I still think meth has a worse effect on society as a whole and is more destructive to the individual.  Opiates are actually fairly non-toxic to the body--it's the impurities in the cut that cause health problems.  Actually all of the risks associated with doing heroin come from the fact that it's illegal, since this makes it so dealers cut their product with god-knows-what and mark up the prices ten fold which eventually tends to bankrupt the H user.  People can live long, healthy lives provided they can get a dose of pure opiates every day and don't have to pay gargantuan amounts for it.

All this is compared to meth, which even by itself and without any impurities is severely neurotoxic, and can cause brain damage in even small doses.  This is not to mention the massive damage done to one's brain and body by the week-long sleep deprivation typically undertaken by tweakers, or the anhedonia caused by permanent destruction of one's dopaminergic neurons after a G binge.  Or the damaging cardiovascular effects caused by meth's stimulant properties, or the lack of basic hygiene that can cause meth mouth after users neglect to brush their teeth while staying up for weeks at a time, and the list goes on.  I mean, sure, dope addicts will spend all their money just like tweakers, but they'll do it over a much longer span of time than tweakers, who will keep on buying sacks all night long as opposed to the passed-out junkie.

I will agree that deaths are much more likely with heroin than with meth, due to the nature of the drug and the fact that many people combine benzos or booze with their dope, but apart from that methamphetamine is much worse for your brain and body than heroin ever could be, and due to how easy it is to make its rate of use is spiraling out of control in America.  As a result I remain convinced it's far more destructive than heroin is.  :shrug:


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    #18753974 - 08/25/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

dude those stats are WAY off, you and i both know that...are you fucking kidding? 13.5 million people are probably prescribed opiates in florida alone :lol: (okay a bit of an exaggeration but :shrug: you get the point) that fucking website has this story from an "LSD ADDICT"
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“At 13 years of age I took my first drink and soon after was introduced to marijuana. Then LSD quickly fell into my hands and I became addicted, eating it like candy.
“One night during one of my binges I blacked out and awoke with blood all over my face and vomit coming out of my mouth. By some miracle I pulled myself awake and cleaned myself up. I got into the car, shaking, drove to my parent’s house. I climbed into bed with my mom and cried.

“By the age of 21, I checked into my first rehab.” —Donna




so your source is pretty much invalid IMO

and im not counting amphetamines, which they would be, and you are, like a college kid cramming for a final taking an adderall....they count that as amphetamine abuse. as far as other countries are concerned, meth isnt nearly as big of a problem as in the US....and meth is really hard to find in certain parts of the country, while IME heroin makes its rounds to basically everywhere

i do believe opiates are much less damaging to the body physiologically, but i call 100000% bullshit on those numbers from that study.

i think epidemic wise opiates take it hands down....never seen so many 14 year old kids from good rich suburban families go down the heroin line.....and i have actually never known a meth addict from my area

so at least where im from, meth is a non issue and opiates are a fucking MASSIVE problem......but in bumblefuck, tennessee thats probably a different story :shrug:

how about a real source?
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More than 12 million people reported using prescription painkillers nonmedically in 2010, that is, using them without a prescription or for the feeling they cause.



http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/rxbrief/
and thats just in the US

yeah....im sure only 13.5 million people abuse opiates :callingbullshit:


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    #18753991 - 08/25/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's highly variable man honestly.  Within my own city there are places where one drug is more prevalent than others.
Honestly I think meth has a higher propensity to destroy lives MUCH more quickly versus opiates tend to be more of a slow burn.  But meth withdrawals are like sleeping for like 3 days and that's pretty much it.  Opiates can take months of clean time before the bone aches and arm/leg twitches dissipate completely.


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    #18754022 - 08/25/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Those stats come from actual research studies.  Here's another link if you're curious:  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/faqs/

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There are some observers who say the meth problem is blown out of proportion because the number of meth-related drug treatment admissions, seizures, and fatalities are relatively few when compared to those for heroin or cocaine. However, meth's impact on families and communities is much more devastating.

In 2005 it was reported that 58 percent of law enforcement officials in 500 counties surveyed by the National Association of Counties cite methamphetamine as their biggest drug problem. Half in the sample said that up to 20 percent of their inmates were incarcerated because of meth-related crimes, and some segments representing small counties and areas in the upper Midwest reported as many as 75 to 100 percent of their incarcerations as meth-related.

While that survey drew on a disproportionate number of counties in the West where meth is most widely available, the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) in February 2005, published results from a larger, random sample of 3,400 drug enforcement agencies nationwide. In the NDIC survey, for the first time since they have been taking such surveys, a plurality (40 percent) considered meth their leading drug threat. Cocaine came in second at 36 percent, and marijuana at 12 percent.

The international picture is also troubling. According to the United Nations, meth is today the most abused hard drug on earth; the world's 26 million meth addicts equals the combined number for cocaine and heroin abusers.




Just because your friends have had more of a problem with heroin than meth doesn't mean that the same is true for America at large--and I dare you to find a single research stat that shows that there are more heroin users than meth.  Not to mention none of this goes against what I was saying; namely that meth is far more damaging to the brain and body than heroin is, and since it's far more prevalent in the US than heroin is, the consequences are therefore much more destructive.  :yesnod:

If you want to bring in prescription drug abuse on the opiate side then I think it's only fair to bring in prescription drug abuse on the meth side (namely Adderall).  But we were originally just talking about meth and heroin, not Adderall and/or oxycodone.


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    #18754058 - 08/25/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

but the average abuser of prescription amphetamines is using it for completely different reasons than the average abuser of prescription opiates

but regardless, i agree meth is much much much worse for your body,however i believe we are in more of an opiate epidemic, at least in the places ive lived, than a meth epidemic, tho i believe that isnt too far behind heroin, but i do think cocaine is way behind in the epidemic factor

also i was looking for surveys and studies and shit, everyone says different numbers :lol: i guess asking people about their illegal actions doesnt always get the most honest answers....especially when it comes to drugs that make you look like a scumbag


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    #18755419 - 08/25/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I said this before and I will say it again. I think that ecstasy will be a problem in the coming years


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    #18758703 - 08/26/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

In what way out of curiousity? I can't imagine massive amounts of people forming hardcore addictions to mdma, sure people abuse it, but I imagine that if there will be a problem it's just going to be impure bunk shit flooding the market to an even greater extent due to a new boost in popularity.


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    #18758852 - 08/26/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cokes popular, but it was more so popular in the 80's and 70's.  People have way more options now when it comes to drugs.


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    #18759191 - 08/26/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Cokes popular, but it was more so popular in the 80's and 70's.  People have way more options now when it comes to drugs.



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In what way out of curiousity? I can't imagine massive amounts of people forming hardcore addictions to mdma, sure people abuse it, but I imagine that if there will be a problem it's just going to be impure bunk shit flooding the market to an even greater extent due to a new boost in popularity.




Because at the current prices (maybe its just my area) rolling balls all night is wayyyyy cheaper and more enjoyable than being coked out all night. Finding pure shit is hard I guess. But methylone replacing molly on the streets isnt the issue here

Also, ecstasy is hitting mainstream with EDM culture springing up. IMO EDM festivals are funner when tripping balls but that really ocmes down to persnal preference. Anyways, I see EDM getting way bigger in the upcoming years. And EDM has exploded in the past 2-3 years already. Even rap music has been increasingly mentioning ecstasy. When a drug becomes mainstream like that, regardless of its abuse potential i feel it will become a prblem. Look at weed. In my high school so many kids lost their entire future to blunts and 40's. Obviously weed isnt very harmful or adictive at all. It is just that it is the most socially acceptable and widely used. Hence it will cause the most problems


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    #18759242 - 08/26/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

where i am coke is cheaper than MDMA. and mdma is like hardly ever available.


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    #18759262 - 08/26/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, coke is WAY cheaper than molly where im at as well.


epidemic wise i still think opiates take the cake for the moment


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    #18759310 - 08/26/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but what about this marihuana epidemic? These kids are smokin reefers all over the place.


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    #18759349 - 08/26/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Over here on the east coast it seems like there is an opiate epidemic. Not much meth around here, though I'm sure things are different on the west coast.


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    #18759403 - 08/26/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ahhhhh I love stories like that, they just feel so deep when you hear about them...:sunny:

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    #18759408 - 08/26/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's all meth and molly around here. Any coke you can find will be cut to shit and twice as expensive as anywhere else. :nonono:


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    #18759412 - 08/26/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the blow here is pretty fuckin cut, but at 100-120 a ball you cant really complain :shrug: and you can always wash it, for that cheap its kinda worth it.

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    #18759446 - 08/26/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the blow here is 80-100 a gram and it is such shitty quality... def not worth it under any circumstance.



As for molly, you can get some fire molly for 80 a gram and that shit runs rampant.


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    #18760241 - 08/26/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Molly's been more recent but some people in the scene would just chomp extacy pills for like 20 dollars a pop.

They wouldn't deny any thing people said about them.


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Yeah, the blow here is 80-100 a gram and it is such shitty quality... def not worth it under any circumstance.



As for molly, you can get some fire molly for 80 a gram and that shit runs rampant.



opposite in houston. fire coke @ $40/gram. shitty molly @ $100/g


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    #18764073 - 08/27/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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the blow here is pretty fuckin cut, but at 100-120 a ball you cant really complain :shrug: and you can always wash it, for that cheap its kinda worth it.

but molly is running 80-120 a g depending on quality and who you know



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    #18764300 - 08/27/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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In my opinion coke is an evil, evil drug, lol. And I say this from experience.



I would say the opposite, from experience.


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    #18764310 - 08/27/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Keep doing coke bro, more power to you. Not my drug though personally.


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    #18764430 - 08/27/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lol well I guess my theory kind of fell appart there. I made the assumption that molly was cheap and coke was expensive all over america. Cudnt have been more wrong

But that being said, its been a year since high school. Came froma really preppy place.. I only know 1 kid from my school on heroin. One on prescription opiates. But prolly 20 who do way too much E and that I have seen noticable changes in their personality. And alcohol...dont even get me started. So many people made brainless zombies from alc

But anyways, I think E also has the impression that it is more harmless. In the same manner that alc is avialable and socially acceptable. So is E. EDM is going mainstream and thats a fact. I feel that E is the most socially acceptable out of all hard drugs. Ironically coke is prolly more healthy but regardless, I think that is wat has contributed to the increased problems caused by MDMA

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    #18764434 - 08/27/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There is a cocaine epidemic in my nostril. :rail2:


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There is a cocaine epidemic in my nostril. :rail2:



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use a nedipot.
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    #18764656 - 08/27/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

haha i saw those on tv once. Sounds like a great idea!

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    #18764688 - 08/27/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't seen powder cocaine in years.

A shame really, I love the stuff, but I guess I hang out in the wrong circles or something? I dunno. I just know there's meth everywhere :shrug:


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