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unknown1123
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: topdog82]
#18752331 - 08/24/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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trippinballs420 said: coke doesnt have shit on H and rx pills
werddddddd. Way better drugs available
I'd rather have an ounce of pure coke rather than a kilo of china white or 5,000 of any RX, other than amphetamine salts, I'd gladly take 5,000 30mg IR's
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its too expensive, and with MD so prevalent it don't seem worth it. plus opiates season is go so all the free pods i want.
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trippinballs420 said: coke doesnt have shit on H and rx pills
werddddddd. Way better drugs available
I'd rather have an ounce of pure coke rather than a kilo of china white or 5,000 of any RX, other than amphetamine salts, I'd gladly take 5,000 30mg IR's 
im saying epidemic wise.....not everyone like H, not everyone likes coke...it just depends on what kinda drugs you enjoy
in my mind tho an ounce of pure coke is worth 2k, that kilo of heroin is worth over 500k and 5000 roxi 30s right now would have the potential of being worth over 175k
but thats just me 
but IMO the opiate epidemic is way worse than the coke/crack "epidemic"is right now
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Blak]
#18753430 - 08/24/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heroin and cocaine don't have shit on the destructive power of meth. Especially since so many college students are now abusing Adderall and other amphetamines, which I'd argue makes it easier for them to rationalize future meth use.
But yeah, if we're just talking about H vs C, I'd say that cocaine is more destructive. It's directly cardiotoxic (incredibly more so when mixed with booze, which is done frequently), and the nature of the drug makes it so coke fiends will keep buying all night long to keep that dopamine rush going, as opposed to junkies who will nod out contentedly without fiending for more until another six hours or so goes by. Of course junkies can OD off opiates, but I think coke will ruin your life more in the short term.
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: deCypher] 2
#18753440 - 08/24/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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marijuana is the biggest problem facing our society we seriously need to fucking step up and do something about it every day weed causes so much pain and suffering when the world is weed free, the world will know peace
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
#18753449 - 08/24/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We don't have anything in these parts except for extremely overpriced, extremely cut coke.
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
#18753454 - 08/24/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've come across my fair share of coke over the years and always found it to be just meh. Nothing special. Mostly during that time, I was doing meth though, which is way stronger and longer. I'd do coke again if I came across some from a trusted source or if I went to S America or something.
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I've heard there's been meth around these parts lately. It's destroying people all over the place nowadays.
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Ogla]
#18753593 - 08/24/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing worse than hanging out with a crowd and you're all doing coke that makes everyone fart/shit
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haha right? I'll only do good coke. Most cuts seem to give me shitty side affects.
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: deCypher]
#18753855 - 08/25/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Heroin and cocaine don't have shit on the destructive power of meth. Especially since so many college students are now abusing Adderall and other amphetamines, which I'd argue makes it easier for them to rationalize future meth use.
But yeah, if we're just talking about H vs C, I'd say that cocaine is more destructive. It's directly cardiotoxic (incredibly more so when mixed with booze, which is done frequently), and the nature of the drug makes it so coke fiends will keep buying all night long to keep that dopamine rush going, as opposed to junkies who will nod out contentedly without fiending for more until another six hours or so goes by. Of course junkies can OD off opiates, but I think coke will ruin your life more in the short term.
id have to disagree on the H not having shit on meth.....in fact id be willing to bet more americans are addicted to opiates/heroin than are addicted to meth. and most DEFINITELY more people addicted to heroin world-wide than meth.
IME in rehabs, halfway houses, AA/NA, there have been FAR more heroin users than meth.....now the destructive power, anything someone is psychologically addicted to will do that, that isnt strictly a meth thing or a heroin thing, however the physical side is a totally different story, cocaine having a much more mild withdrawal physically compared to H
not really all that sure on meth w/d tho having never personally dealt with it but do you have any experience with opiates? i have quite a bit of experience with them and know first hand the destructive power of addiction...just because you nod out doesnt mean you dont spend your money like you would on blow.....i can get a ball of blow for 120 that would last me a whole day.....i could get a bundle for 100 and be nodded for 18hrs then back into dope sickness and more heroin.
really all addiction is just as destructive, but as far as looking at it from a strictly physical stand-point, i think heroin takes the cake (i am probably a bit biased being an opiate addict of 5 years)
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opiates dont really fuck with your body the way other drugs do
opiates will fuck with your opiate tolerance
but the bad stuff comes from needles and sticking needles in your veins
A lot of people die on prescription painkillers, I do not know why but I figure it's just an easy way to go for some people
I know tons people that died from heroin just because they didn't have a sitter
I actually laugh when people talk about having a sitter for shrooms I think it's dumb unless you need to go somewhere
no one smokes meth where im from it all comes from the west
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Konyap]
#18753893 - 08/25/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: but the bad stuff comes from needles and sticking needles in your veins
id have to disagree there too...i know 2 people who overdosed and died from snorting Heroin and prescription pain killers, neither ever having shot up a day in their life.
i also personally have never shot up, and i stole tens of thousands of dollars worth of shit to fuel my addiction
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aiyobro said: A lot of people die on prescription painkillers, I do not know why but I figure it's just an easy way to go for some people
i preferred oxycodone to heroin, and all other opiates. i would take whatever opiate i could get to get rid of the sickness but oxycodone was what i used 95% of the time....i got a certain euphoric feeling from oxy i didnt get from heroin, hard to describe.
also i know a SHITLOAD of people who think prescription drugs are okay in any amount just because they are given out by doctors and sold in pharmacies...cause a doctor would NEVER give anyone anything that could be harmful
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i was talking about the way it interacts with your body
a lot of people have Hep C and sticking a needle in your vein will lead to your veins collapsing and generally gnarly shit.
if people do shit and O.D. they're clueless and should have had a sitter, there are plenty of resources to know what an active dose is.
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xbloodwhipx said: CA: like a buncha weed and more xanaxim fucking high
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Re: cocaine epidemic [Re: Konyap]
#18753948 - 08/25/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: i was talking about the way it interacts with your body
a lot of people have Hep C and sticking a needle in your vein will lead to your veins collapsing and generally gnarly shit.
ah i thought you meant like the losing of friends/wife/kids/house/job when you said bad stuff
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aiyobro said: if people do shit and O.D. they're clueless and should have had a sitter, there are plenty of resources to know what an active dose is.
for prescription pain killers, yes you are 100% right....there are plenty of resources to accurately dose yourself...but heroin doesnt fall into that category due to it being cut, stomped on, and passed through 100 hands before reaching the user.
also back in baltimore and philly when i lived in the area, people would OD and die all the time because a dealer would get a bunch of H, cut it with fentanyl to make what seems to be a bomb ass batch....junkie shoots usual dose, and ODs, ends up in the hospital or dead and word spreads who they got that raw from, dealer stomps on the rest of the batch and makes bank rolls when all the junkies come flocking expecting that good shit
also dude what fucking addict/junkie has a sitter? what am i gonna have someone watch me 24/7? cause thats how often i was doped up. ive never even heard of anyone having a "sitter" while they did opiates
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I've never heard of someone dying when they had a sitter.
but interesting I read that the active dose for heroin is like 1/300ths of what you can take, wild stuff, would never take it ever.
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id have to disagree on the H not having shit on meth.....in fact id be willing to bet more americans are addicted to opiates/heroin than are addicted to meth. and most DEFINITELY more people addicted to heroin world-wide than meth.
Actually you're incorrect, according to stats from 2007 at least, which say that 13.5 million people in the world abuse opioids versus 24.7 million people abuse amphetamine-type stimulants. In the US there were 153,000 users of heroin alone compared to 529,000 people who regularly use meth. So I think it's pretty safe to say that meth abuse is much more prevalent than heroin, and from what I've read elsewhere it seems that meth use is also increasing at a staggering rate, most likely because of the ease of manufacture (since you can do it by yourself with just a few easily obtainable precursors compared to heroin which needs, like, an actual poppy field ).
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trippinballs420 said: now the destructive power, anything someone is psychologically addicted to will do that, that isnt strictly a meth thing or a heroin thing, however the physical side is a totally different story, cocaine having a much more mild withdrawal physically compared to H
Sure, heroin has extremely unpleasant physical withdrawals compared to methamphetamine, but AFAIK methamphetamine is more psychological addicting (I remember a study that said IV meth users have the highest rate of recividism out of any other class of drug users, or in other words the highest rate of relapse to their DOC compared to other junkies and addicts). Of course they're both extremely powerful drugs that can bring people to rock bottom in the blink of an eye.
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trippinballs420 said: not really all that sure on meth w/d tho having never personally dealt with it but do you have any experience with opiates? i have quite a bit of experience with them and know first hand the destructive power of addiction...just because you nod out doesnt mean you dont spend your money like you would on blow.....i can get a ball of blow for 120 that would last me a whole day.....i could get a bundle for 100 and be nodded for 18hrs then back into dope sickness and more heroin.
I was an IV H addict for over four years (am currently on methadone) so I know well how much of a pull opiates can have, but I still think meth has a worse effect on society as a whole and is more destructive to the individual. Opiates are actually fairly non-toxic to the body--it's the impurities in the cut that cause health problems. Actually all of the risks associated with doing heroin come from the fact that it's illegal, since this makes it so dealers cut their product with god-knows-what and mark up the prices ten fold which eventually tends to bankrupt the H user. People can live long, healthy lives provided they can get a dose of pure opiates every day and don't have to pay gargantuan amounts for it.
All this is compared to meth, which even by itself and without any impurities is severely neurotoxic, and can cause brain damage in even small doses. This is not to mention the massive damage done to one's brain and body by the week-long sleep deprivation typically undertaken by tweakers, or the anhedonia caused by permanent destruction of one's dopaminergic neurons after a G binge. Or the damaging cardiovascular effects caused by meth's stimulant properties, or the lack of basic hygiene that can cause meth mouth after users neglect to brush their teeth while staying up for weeks at a time, and the list goes on. I mean, sure, dope addicts will spend all their money just like tweakers, but they'll do it over a much longer span of time than tweakers, who will keep on buying sacks all night long as opposed to the passed-out junkie.
I will agree that deaths are much more likely with heroin than with meth, due to the nature of the drug and the fact that many people combine benzos or booze with their dope, but apart from that methamphetamine is much worse for your brain and body than heroin ever could be, and due to how easy it is to make its rate of use is spiraling out of control in America. As a result I remain convinced it's far more destructive than heroin is.
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