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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: Chastity Psilocybe]
    #18744749 - 08/22/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hells yea.  Also, do some research on crop rotation. Switching what you grow in different sections every year will help.  Some plants take things from soil that other plants will replenish.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: azur]
    #18744771 - 08/22/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I honestly don't know what we are going to grow yet, but first things first, we need to turn that piece of land into a healthy looking garden to be!


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: Chastity Psilocybe]
    #18744818 - 08/22/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

what you say there makes me to want to have a bit mroe variety which i was originally opposed to.

im still thinking do some herbs for the first few years would benefit the soil in the long run but wont argue


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: SpencerPhillips]
    #18746371 - 08/23/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would say to make a nice space for herbs and spices, they look very nice and they will be fresh for you :cool:

And oc you can have lots of tomatoes, and you can make sauces and sundried some of them.

Also fruits are very nice for gardens (season will tell witch one).


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: azur]
    #18747303 - 08/23/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Cut the weeds down and then bury them.  That alone will bring great results.




No, it won't.  Rent a rototiller and till in the weeds.  Then water the garden, and cover it with plastic sheets or cardboard.  This is called "solarizing."  It is the only way I know of that will kill the weeds.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: SmOakland]
    #18747358 - 08/23/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Cut the weeds down and then bury them.  That alone will bring great results.




No, it won't.  Rent a rototiller and till in the weeds.  Then water the garden, and cover it with plastic sheets or cardboard.  This is called "solarizing."  It is the only way I know of that will kill the weeds.



My papa has one but its broken.  Her said he'd try to fix it.  But other than that, well have to do everything by hand.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: Chastity Psilocybe]
    #18749053 - 08/23/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Solarizing is a good idea, but where the garden is located, I don't think they'll have time to do it this year.  Maybe, but fall is coming soon and to properly solarize the plastic must cover for 4 to 6 weeks.
Pulling weeds is part of gardening. The weeds that are there now will be a great fertilizer.  Weeds that sprout after should be pulled before they go to seed.
On your pop's tiller.  Fix that shit. What is wrong with it?  Tillers are very basic machines and I would think no matter what it is, you can fix it.  I'm happy to walk you through the repair if you find out what's wrong with it.  If it hasn't been started in a long time, clean out the gas tank,  change the oil, and put a new spark plug in it.  Go from there.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: azur]
    #18750278 - 08/24/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Another cool thing that you could do is chicken tractor it.  Build a chicken tractor, borrow some chickens, and let them eat all the weeds.  You could also just tether a goat up around there too.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: SmOakland]
    #18750329 - 08/24/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Another cool thing that you could do is chicken tractor it.  Build a chicken tractor, borrow some chickens, and let them eat all the weeds.  You could also just tether a goat up around there too.





:laugh2:  nice..:biggrin:


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: gopener]
    #18751356 - 08/24/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I usually pull the weeds as soon as I can, and I just ammend the soil with manure, fish bone meal, and oyster shells... I let it sit for a couple months or so before planting anything... good luck on your grow


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: SmOakland]
    #18751367 - 08/24/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Another cool thing that you could do is chicken tractor it.  Build a chicken tractor, borrow some chickens, and let them eat all the weeds.  You could also just tether a goat up around there too.



there is actually a permaculture technique that uses pigs to pull weeds, till the soil and fertilize at the same time, you just put some pigs in the area your gonna use as a garden and have a fence to keep them in... I hear it works great


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: Chastity Psilocybe]
    #18751786 - 08/24/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Look into the '3 sisters' planting of native Americans. They'd plant squash, beans and corn all together to create almost a symbiotic relationship. The beans provide nitrogen for the corn, and the corn lends itself as something for the beans to climb up. The pumpkins or squash grow under the beans and corn, all in a small area. 3 crops in the space of one!


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18751789 - 08/24/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Another cool thing that you could do is chicken tractor it.  Build a chicken tractor, borrow some chickens, and let them eat all the weeds.  You could also just tether a goat up around there too.



there is actually a permaculture technique that uses pigs to pull weeds, till the soil and fertilize at the same time, you just put some pigs in the area your gonna use as a garden and have a fence to keep them in... I hear it works great



When using this technique , remember to grow some tuberous vegetables in the plot beforehand. This will increase plowing behaviour in the pigs and is a great source of food. After that you haul in some semi composted material(mainly leafy fall material) and put some chickens in it. The chickens will "plow" the organic material in search of food, thus working it into the ground.
When everything is done ,sheet it with cardboard and let it rest for the winter. Ready for use next spring.

Don't forget the various soil amendments btw. Try adding smaller doses but adding more products. for instance, if you use manure mix manures from different animals, just don't use as much of each. I literally have a collection of soil amendments.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: kyoto]
    #18754674 - 08/25/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like your style kyoto, I'm totally using these techniques in my garden next year... and I already have pigs, chickens, horses, cows and goats which should provide sufficient ammenment to the soil... I didn't even think about planting tubers to entice the pigs even more, great idea man :fuckinawesome:


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18754795 - 08/25/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have any animals yet, nor do i have enough land to do is.
The technique i explained is how I plan on doing it when i get my own piece of land.
Added some organic phosphorous product,bentonite clay and a big sack of volcanic rock dust to my soil amendment collection  a 15kg sack of alfalfa pellets on it's way. I'm a huge fan of rockdusts, they did magic to my soil. Animal manure is not nearly enough as a soil amendment, one has to take it to the next step when he really cares about his garden.
Going to an ecofair in a few weeks just to pick up some soil bacteria and fungi and a natural/ecological wood treatment product for my garden tools.

About the pigs, if you observe pigs in the wild you will see that they hunt for tubers(they use them to search truffles). They are physiologically built for it (the sharp snout). Observe nature , make it work FOR you.


Tip for eggs waste. Keep the egg shells, clean them with water and dry. Wait till you have 1kg and grind them up into powder with pestle and mortar. Great as a chicken feed supplement or soil ammendment


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: kyoto]
    #18754890 - 08/25/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah I thought about using some rock dust but the soil is volcanic so it already has a crap ton of minerals, the pigs actually EAT the soil sometimes...


I really like permaculture so I know what you mean by using natural process' to fulfill a need :rockon:


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18754931 - 08/25/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ladybugs are excellent pest control, and marigolds are excellent pest repellants.  Little saucers of cheap beer help contol snails because the snails are attracted to the yeast and fall into the beer.


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: Scarab74]
    #18754957 - 08/25/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Marigolds are good against root nematodes and carrotfly larvae.
If you have plants failing due to root damage, grow some marigolds in that spot :wink:


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: kyoto]
    #18755693 - 08/25/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Marigolds are good against root nematodes and carrotfly larvae.
If you have plants failing due to root damage, grow some marigolds in that spot :wink:




The marigolds myth is really not true.  While some species of marigolds produce chemicals that suppress nematodes, the ones that you can generally buy at the store do not.  If you have a nematode infestation, some varieties of marigold can actually make the problem worse. 


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Re: So, Growing a Veggie Garden After 10+ years... Advice? [Re: kyoto]
    #18755715 - 08/25/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Personally, I like to do as others have suggested. Till your land frequently over a period of time, each time you turn the soil, mix in some organic material. I use my compost until I run out then I just get garden soil from the store- expensive but it works for me. I just started vermicomposting though so hopfully next year I will have enough castings and compost to completely ditch commercial stuff :smile:
Little bit at a time. If you go to a landscaping supplier you might be able to get some organic material and/or loam at a reasonable price.
I like to mix in a little fertilizer during this process. I use organic fertilizers like worm castings (again, commercial for now) and compost tea from my composter, but honestly, mixing in organic garden soil is usually sufficient. You want to avoid overdoing it anyway...
Next, cover it with weedblock cloth. That stuff will keep the weeds from growing and if you can get the ground warm enough will also help to kill off some of the soil pathogens.
Consider inoculating your soil with mycorrhizae- I have found it makes a huge difference. I use it in my indoor plants as well (No, I am not talking about weed, I am talking about plants I grow which are super suseptable to root rot fungii) and it seriously protects them. Almost like a miracle. I have used Glomus intraradices in the past but lately have been playing with Trichoderma atroviride. The Trichoderma I have been using in my indoor plants more (just be super super careful about keeping this away from your mushroom projects. I am sure that goes without saying but still. I would be a dick if I did not mention it.)
As others have mentioned, directly or indirectly, look into companion planting- it makes a difference. Also, consider setting up an automatic drip or sprinkler system. In addition to making watering easier and more convenient, it is more efficient waterwise.
Also, try talking to local gardeners about what does well in your area and what particular cultivars perform well. Not all are created equal.

I do not know a lot of mycologists in my area but I know a handful- they(the ones I know) tend to know what is common in the way of local soil fungii. Some things are a given but sometimes you get certain species that are more common in your area, it can be helpful to know what others have encountered and how they have been dealt with.

Last, beneficial insects are good. I live in a community with a lot of rose growers and vineyards, so aphids and thrips are everywhere (Indian Walking Sticks too). I find I do best if I start with the good bugs early and try to get a head start on the bad bugs. Keep your yard clean so the bad bugs have nowhere to hang out. Thats me personally. Also a good idea to have your pesticides, fungicides, etc... on hand before you even start. Do your research and pick accordingly. A few that I think are musts (for organics):
- Neem oil
- Sulphur
- Soap spray (Potassium Salt based or dish soap. Personally I avoid copper based but that is me, many of the plants I grow are sensitive and I am not sure if it is good for you). If you have fungal problems locally, it is not a bad idea to spray your non-edible plants with some Tebucanozol or other systemic fungicide before you plant just to keep stuff down- but DO NOT spray that on your veggies. If you are not opposed to systemic pesticides on your ornamentals I have had good luck with imidacloprid based ones just make sure you test it on a small patch or a clone first, I have killed plants with it before. Again, NOT for edibles :wink: If you opt for those systemics, I would keep them pretty far away from the garden.

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