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Mind and matter
    #18750086 - 08/24/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread is about what I consider an anomaly, where a medical condition is controlled without medication.




** Edit: deleted most of the content, figure its not a good idea to have such personal information floating around the internet.


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18750102 - 08/24/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Meditation is wonderful.
I can't answer your question on mental disorders/meditation, but I hope you find what you're looking for :hug:


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: cez]
    #18750118 - 08/24/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks dude, I appreciate that


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    #18750145 - 08/24/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18750208 - 08/24/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If something happened to you when you were a kid the mind/body will always be attempting to find outlets for the emotional tension created through the extreme experience. Coughing, dry heaving, anxiety, depression, blinking, headaches, etc.

It seems if you really drive yourself up into extreme states it is actually a much slower release/healing than calm states, I suggest relaxation and proper intelligent use of your brain so you are content, from there the body will begin to flush it all out in much quicker ways.

For example I was prevented from expressing myself during a childhood trauma, my screams were not enough to mask the pain and stop my father, and incredible energies were being driven around my body, such a hopeless screaming I imagine coming out of my throat. These are emotions you wouldn't remember even being possible.

So I have this urge to be loud and to say crude jokes etc. as a way to release what is still in my throat. But this is an unintelligent method that doesn't trust what the body can do more naturally. If I relax and focus my mind, I feel this feeling like I'm swallowing wood. It's very strange, but very intense and organic, and I know it's doing me good.

It's been happening a lot lately and I've found myself expressing myself much better in social situations. I'm quicker, more charming and spontaneous. Before my voice was very deep and my tongue was hard to maneuver.

The whole idea of LSD psychotherapy was to turn off the usual patterns and behaviours so the very, very intelligent body can take over and heal itself. But you can get there without the drug. Meditation will certainly do it.

Meditate then bring your attention to tensions in your body. I think your mind will get the idea.


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Repertoire89] * 2
    #18750238 - 08/24/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

keep it simple, and try to keep it up.
returning to meditation after 5 years, is not that much different as returning to meditation after 2 days.
begin again.
what begins (again) is access to a resourceful dimension that is not meaningfully describable, if you know what I mean.

begin again


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #18751726 - 08/24/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for your support everybody

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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18751892 - 08/24/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

a similar theme has been on my mind as of late... simply put my lack of self-control.  behaving how i would like to behave vs. behaving how i've been conditioned to behave.  though a more realistic approach would be more of the good and less of the bad.  i think most of us struggle with similar issues, especially with someone just waking up to the horrible traits passed down from family.  been planning on checking out some buddhist temples, group meditation has its own perks, and the set/setting of meditating in a temple with other people makes it seem like more fun and like less of a choir.


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Hobozen]
    #18751980 - 08/24/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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a similar theme has been on my mind as of late... simply put my lack of self-control.  behaving how i would like to behave vs. behaving how i've been conditioned to behave. 




Same shit here. It's difficult to switch my POV & resulting behavioral response to something more benign when the thoughts/actions seem so automatic. Journaling has been helpful recently. I can keep track of my goals, my triggers (whatever feeling/situation/people set off an episode), analyze an event, and try to figure out how to best approach it. I use pen & paper because something about it is more "real." I meditate, too, and have found that it helps me to notice the "automatic" malignant reactions - still working on overriding them, though.


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18752024 - 08/24/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Group meditation, used to do that. Prefer solo at this point but it definitely has its benefits



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Journaling has been helpful recently. I can keep track of my goals, my triggers (whatever feeling/situation/people set off an episode), analyze an event, and try to figure out how to best approach it. I use pen & paper because something about it is more "real."




I've felt the same way about writing a journal, it really helps to focus and remember things, for some reason it does seem more real on paper. One thing I find fascinating is to write down dreams, at the end of the month reviewing all that months dreams.
Then I make a list of the more interesting dreams, just a sentence to summarize with the date. At the end of the year I go through all those lists, short and interesting read. Just the one sentence is usually enough to remember the whole event.


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    #18752325 - 08/24/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

never kept a consistent journal, always turned off by my lack of ability to accurately communicate ideas and feelings.  that and the feeling that I'm only slivering away a tiny part of the bigger picture feels so... insignificantly pointless.  it always comes out so garbled and I get all "that's not me! :snub:"


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18752335 - 08/24/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: I also like to log my dreams. It's interesting how sometimes, when interpreting the dream from memory to paper, I will write something in such a way that is insightful into its meaning to me. IDK how else to explain it.


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18752735 - 08/24/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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never kept a consistent journal, always turned off by my lack of ability to accurately communicate ideas and feelings.  that and the feeling that I'm only slivering away a tiny part of the bigger picture feels so... insignificantly pointless.  it always comes out so garbled and I get all "that's not me! :snub:"




Interesting, its always been easy for me to describe a thought or feeling but I've changed a lot over the years so keeping journals around with old opinions can be just embarrassing :lol: don't want to reread what I wrote very far back




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:thumbup: I also like to log my dreams. It's interesting how sometimes, when interpreting the dream from memory to paper, I will write something in such a way that is insightful into its meaning to me. IDK how else to explain it.




Dreams have a lot of value as far as the subconscious, my favorite is reading them back at the end of the month. Wind up forgetting a lot of them and rereading it after a few weeks can be mind blowing, puts everything in perspective
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Re: Mind and matter [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18753789 - 08/25/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do dreams actually have a whole lot of content in them though? Sometimes for me there's the obvious metaphors which sometimes, rarely though, point out or allude to a point or a perspective I'm overlooking in waking conciousness. Most of the time though my dreams are weird and trippy and like some kind of drug trip...associations and combinations that I'd never make in waking conciousness are made and it's kind of like a psychotic hallucination (a pleasant one usually) or a psychedelic trip. I've also had dreams where I ingest something for example I drink golden nectar and physically feel like what I'd imagine a strong opiate to feel like and I can remember the feeling...other dreams of incredible bliss too but these are very rare. In short I get trippy content, feelings that I can remember on waking but can never get back to unless I dose a drug, and the occasional insight or interpretation of something that happened. Wondering how this compares to you guys.


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Re: Mind and matter [Re: lolwut]
    #18753799 - 08/25/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Think it depends on the individual, but there are dreams which will kind of cut around self-denial sometimes. An example might be where I'm in self-denial about wanting to end a relationship, have a really awesome dream about sex with another lady-friend, and realize how much I'd rather have that. That's just a made-up example.

Lucid Dreams and OBEs are a whole other idea


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    #18754906 - 08/25/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes my dreams are more adventurous, like the ones you're describing (I'm thinking of times when I've come closest to lucid dreaming - instances where I'm the acting agent and not just a character in the story). Usually, though, they  seem to be scenarios which mirror (or, to use Rep's words, "cut around") some subconscious musings and I'm more like an actor in a play I'm watching from a 1st person POV. Sometimes, its a mix of the two.

I think both can have insight. I read once that the longer you're in "dream sleep", the further back your brain reaches to pull memories to form dreams. I guess that deserves some context. I also read (wish I could remember where) that sleeping is your brains way of processing memories and feelings and expectations, etc. It starts with the most recent and works its way backwards, chronologically. So the dreams you have right before waking usually consist of more information (since your brain is pulling more info) and that's how and why they get so weird - like a giant mix-mash f everything you've experienced. Right off the top of my head, that seems to generally be the case for me, though there are some exceptions. Perhaps it also depends on the intensity of what it is you're processing.


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