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Planting Heavy Cactus
    #18749940 - 08/24/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I purchcased more cactus & some of them have  already been calused and have roots shooting out of the spines because they were left on the grass before i picked them up.



I have a cluster of 4 branches attachhed to a fat ass stump. The stump is hollow and inside you can notice the calused roots. it weighs in atleast 10 pounds. I would really like to keep the cactus the way it is without having to cut off any branches. My only worry is that the cutting is too big to stand up in the ground.







This is healthy; Correct ?


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18750017 - 08/24/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I love how your cats are curiously checking out the cacti, probably thinking "Hmm is there any mescawin in there?"

You can pick up some support stakes at any garden center and use those to help support and hold up the more awkwardly weighted ones if there is an issue keeping them upright.  They look fine and they appear to be pupping well.


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: SuperD]
    #18750053 - 08/24/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cats would so do backflips for those cactus. They are cats after cactus and all. Thorny little puss balls , let me tell yah. I locked the cactus away from the cats and they are still hunting for the spines, they love to rub their faces up against the spikes and eat grass.

I was planning on leaving them all through winter in my room under a desk  to callus and strengthen a  better root system before planting them in the ground during march, if that's even nessicary. It's going to be raining soon in October or November , and possibly snowing during December. Unless its better for the cactus to be planted now.

Can I plant the cactus with roots shooting from the spines on their sides ; or would it be better just planting it straight up in the air.


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18750800 - 08/24/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You could also plant them deep. Couple of inches down or leaning somewhat against a wall. New growth will grow up


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18750825 - 08/24/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

in my opinion, that hollow section is just an invitation for rot that will quickly destroy the whole piece.  how deep does the hollow bit go?

i would cut again and allow it to recallous with a nice flat end.  you don't want to stick that mold-cave into any soil.


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: Yrat]
    #18750954 - 08/24/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The hollowness only goes about 2 inches in and then it's a solid calus the whole way through, utill you reach the pups which are still moist. I used a hack saw to remove the dirty section off one of the arms to another cactus that had  a weird bottom.  so hopefully that cactus does better. I just don't want to loose of my cactus to mold.  that's my biggest concern.

This was an entire plant that fell down and was picked up off of the ground & the man I got it from told me I could go home and plant them right away if I wanted too.

It appears  to be thick to cut through , like a peice of wood. Some of the arms are even brownish like wood.


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18751178 - 08/24/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yrat is right, I would definitely consider removing that bottom portion. I've found that even well calloused holes like that can be trouble.

If it were me I would remove that portion, let callous over, then plant the whole thing until the two offshoots are sitting at soil level. Not only would it look better IMO, it would be sturdier and give more root for the two new branches to grow big and strong.


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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: LuxLuthier]
    #18751318 - 08/24/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the advice.





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Re: Planting Heavy Cactus [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18790334 - 09/02/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You should be fine. San Pedro's have been pretty damn hardy IME.

Whenever I have a piece that isn't balanced right, if its a nice piece (like yours is) I usually just put it in a pot of soil, and place bricks, or anything that I can find laying around, at the base of the pot so it cant tip over. Then, sometimes Its still a little tipsy so Ill put rocks on the soil in the pot, I try and find 3 ore four that I can wedge in between the cactus and the side of the potting container (I haven't been using very big pots).. I really like that one you did the surgery on to remove the hollow area. Id imagine it would do great for 3-5 years if you gave it 2.5-5gallons of soil to grow into.. That would be ideal, and youd see that it will start to grow into a nice stand because its branched nicely and has a good amount of pups already. So if you give it some good soil and a nice sized container, you wont have to mess with it until your ready to put it in the ground in 4 or 5 years when its starting to get a bit heavy to be able to move it around if you need to in the winter (IDK I dont have to here.)

Or you could get away with just sticking it in a gallon container with some cheap soil, or even some plain dirt from your backyard in there if that's all you have. It will root and even grow for a year, maybe two or three, but your branches will be skinny, and it just wont grow as fast, at some point, once its really rootbound, which would probably be at the end of next summer, youll notice its growth will be a lot slower than what it could be doing if you just give it a bit of good dirt and a decent sized container..

Anyway, I'm rambling, I just thought Id share with you what I know.
To balance a wobbly cacti, put bricks, rocks or pieces of wood concrete, or anything with some weight around the base to hold it up.
Roots will grow soon enough so it can hold itself up, and usually, if its just crooked and unbalanced it will start straightening out growing up to the sun so that in a year or two it will grow into a balanced cactus that doesn't need any support beams or posts or bricks to stay vertical..

Oh, btw you can plant them laying on there sides, they will grow fine that way. The don't have to be pointing up. That piece you have with the two pups growing out of it sideways is a perfect candidate. Also, let any cuttings you make callous up for about 5 days, maybe 7 if its humid before planting to avoid rot.

If you ever get any rot, get a sharp no serrated blade, sterilize it with rbbing alcohol and cut the rotten piece off. If you catch is early, it will be isolated and you can just cut it off, if you touch any of the rot with your knife, sterilize it before making any cuts again. Usually when I run into rot, its at the base of the cactus, usually starts just below the soil line, then slowly creeps up (So keep an eye at the base of your cacti til next summer. If it starts getting browin/yellow and soft to the touch, Id pull it out the ground for a biopsy. with a scalpel or sharp knife cut a very small wedge into the soft part, if its not the usual green skin and white flesh on the inside that like the texture of a cucumber it needs to go.. So, just cut about a half inch above the part were its soft (STERILISE THE KNIFE FIRST OR YOU CAN SPREAD THE ROT) You want to make sure and get all of the yellow, brown soft flesh out, the flesh ahead of the really bad rotten parts tends to get kinda soft and yellow on the inside, its not as noticeable as the how it looks when it gets all brown and mushy, but if it looks different from the resat of the green and white flesh, re-sterilize you knife and try and cut a little bit above it, until you get to the healthy cucumber like flesh.
With the more finicky cacti (Bridgesii are super prone to rot, and can completely rot to the point they are totally dead with rotten brown jellied flesh falling off in like a week) Usually like I said the pedros rot at the bottom, but if bridgesii's get a cut, or something like that they can start to rot on the sides of branches. So its basically the same procedure, sterilize and cut until you get to healthy flesh..  However, the difference is with bridegesii, after surgery, I wash the wound thoroughly with water, then pour (preferably) 70% or higer rubbing alcohol, or atleast H2O2 in the wound to sterilize it and kill any bacteria that may have been transferred from the rotten part by my knife, letting the iso sit for a minute or so before rubbing it out with clean toilet paper.. (use the sheets under the sheets that are on the surface just to be safe, or atleast use bottom of the sheets that weren't in open air & exposed right next to a toilet) After washing the wound, I pour wood ash on it. This is my little trick. I learned it after finding a beautiful large bridgesii cactus in a condemned lot. I harvested all my cuttings at once, just as I would
San Pedro, thinking they behave the same. I ended up losing about half of what I harvested, if not more. Some 15 feet or so just rotted in a matter of weeks. I tried cutting the rotten parts out like I would with the san pedro, but it only seemed to accelerate their demise from
rot. It wasn't until I put the three different techniques Id thought up & tried separately all at once together that I had a succes treating a Bridgii w/rot. My first success was actually rot that had made its way all the way into the center core, (I was sure it was a goner) but its still alive, with 2 new pups growing out back right now :smile:.. So in my mind theres definitely something to the method other than steel and superstition. lol..

Now every time I take a cutting, or make an incision I immediately coat the wound with wood ashes. It seems to help the wounds dry up faster and acts like a cactus bandaid. I imagine the ash is sterile, and the juices from the cut kinda make it cake on, so the cut is no longer an open wound. Havent seen any rot since (except that surprise bridgii I found in its pot, been growing fine in it over a year n suddenly its
mush falling apart with not apparent reason -finicky bitches im tellin ya-)

Anyways bud, I hope you can get a nice container n some good sandy soil for that nice cutting of yours. Be patient and you'll have a nice stand someday. Basically just keep her in dirt and she's down to chill forever :smile:. I hope my info. helps you some. 
PS. Ps. you can root small pieces like the piece you cut with the hollow, just lay it on its side in some dirt and it will start to grow.
Oh and you dont need to water you cacti until the are growing roots, they can last a couple years in a dark closet with 0 light and no water, so they really dont need it. If you water while they dont have any roots, or not a whole lot of them yet, that's how you invite the rot.
O.K now bud, you know all you need to know to keep these ladies alive and thriving. Do it.

Peace & Patience


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