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Rose
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18749635 - 08/23/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OldHam



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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Rose]
#18749647 - 08/23/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL, no.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18749663 - 08/23/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly.
A prescription was requested.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Rose]
#18749676 - 08/23/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, that changes everything.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: unknown1123]
#18749756 - 08/24/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Chelsea Manning is an American hero.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Smokey420]
#18749767 - 08/24/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thus spoke Smokey420.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18749784 - 08/24/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This story just keeps getting stupider and stupider.
How fucking dumb is our government to let crazy loser get ahold of that sensitive of information?
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: elax420] 1
#18749811 - 08/24/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How stupid are thousands of Americans who call this 5'2" freakshow an 'American hero'?

If he was concerned about NSA spying, he could've just selected the files pertaining to that and presented them. Hemorrhaging 700,000 files of classified material to third parties is not the way become a 'hero' in my book. .
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam] 4
#18750033 - 08/24/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OldHam said: How stupid are thousands of Americans who call this 5'2" freakshow an 'American hero'?

If he was concerned about NSA spying, he could've just selected the files pertaining to that and presented them. Hemorrhaging 700,000 files of classified material to third parties is not the way become a 'hero' in my book. .
Bradley Manning mainly leaked information about war crimes. I believe you are thinking of Edward Snowden who leaked information from the NSA.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: LoveYourLife]
#18750080 - 08/24/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe you have it reversed. I think I read that Snowden actually looked through his files whereas Manning just spewed a treasure trove of things he never even read, to Wikileaks, and they've dribbled out a little here and a little there, but never made clear what the whole 700k contained. I don't think anyone knows the extent of what was leaked. The US gov't sure as shit isn't going to call attention to it...I could be wrong.
Still, I guess people just don't see the same thing I do when they look at Russia and China and the US's dwindling power. How anyone can see this as a good think globally is totally beyond me. Like so much else.
Edited by OldHam (08/24/13 03:19 AM)
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18750098 - 08/24/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OldHam said: I believe you have it reversed. I think I read that Snowden actually looked through his files whereas Manning just spewed 700,000 (I think is the number bandied about) ... I don't think anyone knows the extent of what was leaked. The US gov't sure as shit isn't going to call attention to it...
I could be wrong. Still, I guess people just don't see the same thing I do when they look at Russia and China and the US's dwindling power. How anyone can see this as a good think globally is totally beyond me. Like so much else. 
I never said anything about sorting through the files. I simply said Snowden was the one who released the NSA information. Bradley Manning released mainly information about war crimes in Afghanistan. I'm positive about that.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: LoveYourLife]
#18750108 - 08/24/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I think you're wrong.  Manning didn't release anything, if you want to get technical about it.
Read my edited post, maybe it makes more sense than the 1st draft.
You assume that what 3rd parties have published, is all they have. Is all they've shared. Not that hard to understand what I'm saying, if you stop and breath and think a little.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18750119 - 08/24/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OldHam said: Well, I think you're wrong.  Manning didn't release anything, if you want to get technical about it.
Read my edited post, maybe it makes more sense than the 1st draft.
You assume that what 3rd parties have published, is all they have. Is all they've shared. Not that hard to understand what I'm saying, if you stop and breath and think a little.
I get what you're saying. But, Snowden was the NSA contractor. Manning was in Army Intelligence. Not too difficult to see the difference in information they would have
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: LoveYourLife]
#18750134 - 08/24/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just don't understand why you're responding to me, but bringing up seemingly unrelated issues and expecting me to answer for them. What am I missing here? 
All I'm saying, and again I could be wrong, is that if you want to be a whistle blower because you see specific things you think should be brought to light, fine. Good. But leaking 700,000+ documents for the hell of it, that you haven't even read...to third parties you really don't know...seems dangerous. Doesn't seem like a well balanced, logical decision to me.
"I'm suicidal, why not take the world down with me?" I mean, what the hell? That's not right. That's not 'heroic'.
And, doesn't seem like the sort of thing people should be clasping their hands and waving them triumphantly over their heads about...if that makes any sense.
Know what I mean? An 'American hero'?

Snowden is a whole other story. But I think he fucked up, too. Frankly.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam] 1
#18750138 - 08/24/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OldHam said: How stupid are thousands of Americans who call this 5'2" freakshow an 'American hero'?

If he was concerned about NSA spying, he could've just selected the files pertaining to that and presented them. Hemorrhaging 700,000 files of classified material to third parties is not the way become a 'hero' in my book. .
Oh believe me i agree with ya on this one mate.
Hes lucky he didn't get the noose, like he should have. They also need to drop the "private first class" part of his title, its a mockery to any loyal service member. Its not necessarily the info he leaked that rustles my jimmies, its the complete disregard for for his fellow soldiers safety he showed by doing that. Thats what makes me not have any sympathy towards this dude, whereas i kinda feel for snowden.
Still though WTF is wrong with our government to let a mere private, not to mention the clear mental illness the guy has, access that kinda shit. I thought they had screening practices for that crap
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: elax420]
#18750148 - 08/24/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Long story short: You make a good point. They fucked up.
Doesn't excuse the trumpeting of this criminal as a hero, or the odd single minded focus on america's war crimes to the exclusion of Russia, China, etc etc. Hating America has become a very fashionable thing to do in some circles. You may or may not agree with that...
Seems like a global case of 'False Equivalency' or sumshit. Like the US is in any way as fucked up as Russia or China?
Boggles the mind...
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: LoveYourLife] 1
#18750233 - 08/24/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: Bradley Manning mainly leaked information about war crimes. I believe you are thinking of Edward Snowden who leaked information from the NSA.
I'm just now understanding what you were saying. Thank you for the correction.
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18750307 - 08/24/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The difference is though that Russia and China do not claim to be beacons of good or human rights. I mean you never hear the rhetoric from them that you hear from the US about spreading democracy and condemning civil rights abuses, and I think that is why its popular to america-bash because of the hypocrisy.
Don't get me wrong as an Irishman I can appreciate that if some serious shit went down around the world I'd much rather have America/Nato to defend the smaller countries than China or Russia sweep through europe ha ha. No I dont think this is gonna happen its just a point!
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: iarphairc]
#18750349 - 08/24/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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See, I just don't get that though. Do people watch state run Russian and Chinese tv? How do they know they aren't saying these things?
Do Irish politicians not talk shit about how awesome Ireland is? I thought all countries did that. I know for damn sure Britain does it...
Also, I feel like serious shit is going down, so... I appreciate Western Culture and Western Europe, actually wish we'd pull together a bit more not holding breath, but everywhere I go online I hear people, seemingly with a straight face, claim that US is the sole force of evil in the world today, which is bullshit. Even Americans say it.
Which is just disturbingly ignorant in my mind...
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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
#18750359 - 08/24/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah,because like the afgan police action and iraq war were like bastions of freedom and liberty
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