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Planning my next gaming PC.
#18749550 - 08/23/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I'm planning a gaming PC. I haven't built a PC since 2008. I've done some minor upgrades to it but it can't really go on anymore with upgrades, as it's DDR2 and an AM2 AMD processor. I do love it though, she's lasted me 5 years and I've been able to play games all the way up until recently on max quality. But she's starting to lag behind.
Currently she's a got a Foxconn a79-s mobo, Phenom II X950 OC'd to 3.85GHz per core, and an OC'd ATI 5850. She's watercooled, though not the cleanest install, still decent, in a Lian li v2000B case.

(In the photo I had an older mobo, I didn't like it so I upgraded to the foxconn, and upgraded from two 3870's to a single 5850.)
So the next one I'm building is from ground up. I'm going to be doing an SSD for the main drive, 240GB should be fine, as it'll only be programs and games. I'm wondering if I should do bigger or smaller. tend to like having games load fast, but that's just a luxury, play rate matters more than quick loads. I have at least 250gb worth of games on my PC right now. That one I'll have to figure out.
I'm going AMD again because it's a little cheaper than intel and pretty fun to play with as far as overclocking. I'm going for an octa-core and going to overclock it as much as i can from it's 4.0Ghz/4.2GHz range to whatever I can reach (I hear 5.2GHz is possible with water). I'm going with 16GB RAM 8GBx2 sticks so I have the option to get more, and I'm going with an ATI 7950 GPU, though this might change if the 8xxx series comes out and they discontinue the 7xxx series.
Here's what I have setup so far.
LIAN LI PC-V2120B Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case $399.99 I wanted to go with a large case again for watercooling. I may go with the V2120X which has an anodized black interior as well, but it's 450$.
Rosewill TACHYON -1000 1000W ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92, SLI/CrossFire Ready, Modular Active PFC Power Supply $219.99 Have any other suggestions for power supplies for this setup? I do plan on getting another videocard.
ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX UEFI BIOS $214.99 Between this and the Raptor, I figured this would suit me better for heavy overclocking.
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100352VXSR Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card $279.99 Again, if they drop in price or the 8xxx series is this price, we'll see what happens. Oct. 2013 is the release date.
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8350FRHKBOX $199.99 I was looking at the FX-9xxx series and then I read reviews, basically this can overclock to the same speeds that the 9xxx series can overclock to, they're pretty much the same processors. Meh, might as well pay $150 less.
G.SKILL Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C10D-16GTX $169.99 Any tips on RAM? I've heard the timing is flexible on this RAM.
Corsair Neutron Series GTX CSSD-N240GBGTXB-BK 2.5" 240GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $219.99 Any suggestions for SSD drives? This will be a first for me as far as SSD.
2x Seagate NAS HDD ST2000VN000 2TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive ($139.99 each) Total $239.98 For my photography and ridiculous collection of downloaded TV series, movies anime, programs and games, music etc.
So this is getting into the $2,000.00 range, and including probably $400-$600 in watercooling equipment, it'll be a good $2,400 PC, but it should last me a long time, especially if I invest an extra $300.00 and add another videocard and some more ram (then I'd have to add in another waterblock and tubing though, but that'd probably be what an extra $60-$100).
All in all this is going to be my most expensive PC. Though when I tried to design one with intel I was still about $1,000 more for what I wanted...
What do you guys thinks?
Edited by Maverick (08/23/13 11:23 PM)
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Maverick]
#18749770 - 08/24/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18749862 - 08/24/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agreed^^^
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18749891 - 08/24/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Problem is I hate that corsair case so I won't be going with it. Have a friend with it and don't like how I'd have to manage a 3 or 4 fan radiator. And I won't be buying Any of that pre-assembled crap. Half the time it's aluminum. and it sucks. Plus it wouldn't go with my assembly. I like custom water setups.
And I'm not going to go with intel. Sorry. Everything ends up more expensive: mobo, RAM and CPU. I'm not willing to fork out $500 for a videocard. Again, like I said, I planned out an intel and an AMD setup and it's just not worth it with the intel, considering I need the extra money. Also intel has this nasty way of releasing new things that aren't compatible with anything current, especially when it comes to sockets.
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Maverick]
#18749927 - 08/24/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not really sure what you're talking about with Intel releasing things that aren't compatible with current sockets. 4770k is LGA 1150, and will fit in any LGA 1150 board. Not really rocket science. Also an 1150 board gives you a CPU upgrade path when Ivy-bridge E is released later.
I tend to agree though if you are a watercooling guy custom is the way to go. Those corsair all in one units are nice though, definitely don't suck.
But you'll get better overall performance out of the build CosmicJoke linked. The 4770k also dominates the 8350 in gaming performance
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350 http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/451/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-4770K.html
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7950-Boost-vs-GeForce-GTX-770
Either way its your money and build so go with whatever makes you happy/fits your budget. But IMO if you are gonna pump 2k into a rig, go with the intel/nvidia build it will outperform I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever you decide.
But whatever you do don't get that Rosewill PSU, Rosewill is pretty crap in my experience. Get a high quality PSU like Corsair, Seasonic, or PC Power and Cooling.
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18749958 - 08/24/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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At least get the intel ffs, I'm def. an nvidia fan and all but holy fuck don't get that mobo/processor... 
edit: and RAM is not more expensive
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Edited by CosmicJoke (08/24/13 02:04 AM)
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18749969 - 08/24/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't have the money at the moment to do what I want. If I did I'd get an intel setup. But I figure I can get this one built and then later on do the water-cooling. I know the case is expensive but it's something I can probably use on future builds for years to come. I just need to retire this old Lian Li V2000B case from 2002 or 2003.
I know my way around AMD processors pretty well as far as overclocking goes, since I've had AMD back when they were ahead of Intel. I wish they'd get their shit back in line and make some good CPUs again.
If prices drop around october/november/december when I build this PC, and I can build the intel for the same price, I might as well. We'll see what happens. But I really want something I can overclock with. So sorry if I came off hostile, I'm always wary on the watercooling equipment that's pre-assembled. I like knowing everything is copper with nickel-chromium compression joints for the tubing.
Also, that mobo/processor are the best of what AMD has. They are obviously not better that intel's stuff, but price ratiowise they're okay, and they can hit the 5.0GHz range.
I will look into intel if their prices on their i7's drops a bit this winter.
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Maverick]
#18749986 - 08/24/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think the expensive water cooling set up and extreme overclocking is worth the money myself, though a good case and psu for future builds is a good thing.. the rest of the shit gets dated so fast, it's worth craigslisting and reinvesting every two or three years.
I do fine on a 4.5ghz OC with my aging i7-2600k and gtx 670, will probably upgrade broadwell...
3yr warranty on evga cards, mine is sold a month or so before expiration
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18750131 - 08/24/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably upgrade my aging i5-2500k come broadwell also.. fucker has performed like a beast though 4.5GHz rock solid for 2 years. I'll also upgrade my GPU come 800 series most likely
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18750167 - 08/24/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm pretty much ready to upgrade my GPU... I want more power for 1440p gaming on a couple games, but I don't even like the games enough to do it.... I'm just going to hold off until there's actually a game that will benefit from it that I truly want to waste hundreds upon hundreds of hours playing, rather than waiting for a specific series of GPU. Haven't really put much time into gaming since D3, which ironically was a pretty shitty game that played perfectly fine on my laptop
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18750213 - 08/24/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah for serious. There's so many freaking games yet hardly any are worth my time anymore. Fuck I have too many games and they keep piling up.
There needs to be another morrowind
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18751134 - 08/24/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Truly, I'm largely retro gaming atm to fill the void... to get back on topic though, I wanted to point out that I only picked the i7-4770k cuz we were talking up a $2k rig, the performance benefit for gaming is totally marginal over a more fairly priced $240 i5-4670k, which also spanks all the amd chips on the market. The AMD FX-8350 is $199, the motherboard the OP picked out was $215 (where the asus z87 pro was $200)... This is no crushing price difference, we're talking like $35 difference to go Intel... IMO the OP would probably get that money back in Haswell power savings over the course of the next few years 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899Â ; I5-4670k $240
actually there's a $10 promo code now, make that $25
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18751151 - 08/24/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like to do a lot of game design and make my own levels with the Unreal Editor hehe, rebuild times are important, and so is being able to testplay them with the editor and other 3d tools open too. Also into photography.
Hopefully in the next year or so some new interesting games will be released.
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Maverick]
#18751189 - 08/24/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yah for sure, sounds fun... I remember you snowboard or somethin? Surprised you don't want a Go Pro or what not to get your feet wet with video editing.
I'm revising my stance on the AMD card for the moment to hit your card budget, looks like the 7950 Boost is the best card for the buck in the $250 price point, but if you can cough up $320 you can get a 7970. The best bang for the buck changes almost monthly though, so it may be something entirely different by the time you're ready to order.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BJ6XNW6/ref=asc_df_B00BJ6XNW62674519?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=pg-469-34-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395097&creativeASIN=B00BJ6XNW6
FWIW, I'd love a custom built water cooling set up too, sounds like a really fuckin' fun project.... but OTOH I'd love a GTX Titan or something even more, lol.
Just sayin', you could go with a totally awesome mid tower like the corsair 650d for $160 (price fluctuates on this a ton -you just have to order at the right time of the month, I got mine for $150), run with the 'crap' (heh) closed loop liquid cooler (I really have had zero issues with my i7-2600k running one @ 4.5ghz for a couple years now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139006
and dump all that cash you didn't spend into video cards...
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
Edited by CosmicJoke (08/24/13 12:12 PM)
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18751259 - 08/24/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good god, Morrowind...
I will never forget how much fun I had breaking that game... Keep in mind it's been YEARS since I played it, but I remember everything perfectly: In the Tribunal expansion, you can buy the Fortify Skill spell by taking that boat to the capital, which allowed you to create enchanted items that boost any skill MASSIVELY for 1-2 sec; allowing you to jump ridiculous distances (remember the dude that falls on your way to Balmora, and the scroll he has that you tried out without thinking and immediately regretted? yeah, like that....). I used that to create a fortify enchant skill item, then immediately open your inventory and enchant any item for free.
Paired with "Summon Golden Saint" and a steady supply of grand soul gems, you could make ANYTHING for free, & with constant effect at that. Within a day I was flee-hopping all over the map safely in constant-effect Daedric armor. Constant effect invisibility with 100% sneak; borderline ridiculous enchantments to speed, levitation, and so on. In all honesty, I got caught up with everything else there was to do in the world that I never actually beat the main storyline.
That game was the tits, and I have never had as much fun with any game since.
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: mathieu]
#18753085 - 08/24/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agreed. That game was just geeking-out fun. I don't think I've invested so much time into any single game since.. unless you count wow..
Titanfall looks promising... but I'm sick of all the dumbed down shooters and half-assed ARPGs.. I want something legit
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18753250 - 08/24/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomism said: Agreed. That game was just geeking-out fun. I don't think I've invested so much time into any single game since.. unless you count wow..
Titanfall looks promising... but I'm sick of all the dumbed down shooters and half-assed ARPGs.. I want something legit
I'd love a legit MMO or ARPG that breaks the tradition of exploiting its players through the psychological addiction of mindlessly going through the motions of repetitious activities in hopes of receiving a present, and instead was just a fun skill based game where good players were rewarded. I mean, I think such a game could even have an RMAH, if it was the type of game where gear only made you eligible to do the content, but had no real bearing whatsoever as to whether you actually succeeded, because being able to win was about being able to do the content well. These Bliz games are just stupid, it's like the Reality TV of video games. What annoys me the most is they all could be great games if their intentions were pure... My only hope is that some pure hearted indie company comes along and shits all over these sell outs with a refreshing fun game... Then we could enjoy it for at least a little while before they outgrew themselves into a franchise and inevitably became sellouts too :P /endrant
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Shroomism]
#18753333 - 08/24/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Agreed. That game was just geeking-out fun. I don't think I've invested so much time into any single game since.. unless you count wow..
Titanfall looks promising... but I'm sick of all the dumbed down shooters and half-assed ARPGs.. I want something legit
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Re: Planning my next gaming PC. [Re: Boutang]
#18769227 - 08/28/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That build looks nice, I'm going with something half the price though. Diminishing returns on PC builds. I'm still sticking with AMD though. Loyal customer.
Let us know how it goes! What are you doing with the old computer?
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Update:
I decided I'm going to wait until next fall to build the PC. Mainly because I want DDR4 and I want to see where the 18nm architecture is going to take intel. With this being the case, I won't be limited on funds, as I'm going to build the PC case and watercooling setup this spring, (the case and watercooling components won't be cheap, but I'll spend the same amount on hardware regardless of what I spend on the case and WC setup).
Anything I should be expecting in addition to DDR4?
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