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Do psyches make you feel like a bad person?
    #18749297 - 08/23/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Im curious, everytime I trip now, I feel like "Omg im such a bad person I need to change" and I feel the need to be what in my opinion is the perfect person, as in be nice to everyone and not think so negatively. But my idea of realistic is considered negative to everyone else. I think alot of people have the habit of being overly positive.

Whenever I trip, I think of everything ive ever done bad, I always tell myself im going to stick with how I am thinking during the trip because of the extreme feeling guilt I feel, I wont go into detail but I used to be kind of an asshole a while back.. I did some fucked up things to people that I was friends with, and that went out of their way to help me and were good all around people, on numerous occasions. I think of these things I do and how I talk to people and I tell my self im a sociopathic narcissist and that everyone sees this except for me except for when im tripping and that I can change.

I cant even enjoy being high anymore now that I can finally get high after my jwh use, because I get feelings of guilt and I over think things.

I want your opinion, because I used to be able to trip a few years ago fine, is this because of my chronic jwh and mxe use? I feel like this started happening after my chronic use of many research chems.




ALSO, just so you know, im the nicest person ever, im only an ass to people who are an ass to me, I go out of my way now that im older to defend people I think are good people. But in a weird sense im the biggest asshole ever and when I was younger and my parents made me go to a therapist because I got into an argument with my dad that ended kind of badly, I had to take this 600 question test that took a few hours (my mom was super over protective my dad couldve cared less), and he interviewed me over a month, and said I had sociopathic tendancies, but that doesnt mean im a sociopath, im not crazy trust me.

If this didnt make sense in anyway sorry and if you read it thanks, im just drunk because im a loser and have nothing to do this friday night but drink alone and make this post on the shroomery.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Chowder963]
    #18749310 - 08/23/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It just means you shouldn't use drugs. Most people shouldn't.
And the people who need them use them for a reason.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: lazyfingers]
    #18749332 - 08/23/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But I cant go too long without using drugs, ive never been addicted to anything physically, only mentally.

Only dxm in highschool and mxe and nitrous in older years. Ive never been addicted to a stim or opiate.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Chowder963]
    #18749333 - 08/23/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Chowder963 said:
Im curious, everytime I trip now, I feel like "Omg im such a bad person I need to change" and I feel the need to be what in my opinion is the perfect person, as in be nice to everyone and not think so negatively. But my idea of realistic is considered negative to everyone else. I think alot of people have the habit of being overly positive.




I get those feelings a lot of times during trips. I didn't use to get them as frequently, but my life was more together back then. Things have been stressful this year for me and I have wasted a lot of time smoking weed that I should have been using to be productive. So I'm sure that my disappointment with myself contributes a lot to me getting those feelings. Psychedelics are teachers IMO. They show you what you need to improve on, but its up to you to do something about it. And if you don't do anything about it, it will keep coming up until you do.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Ballerium]
    #18749339 - 08/23/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Set and setting describes the context for psychoactive and particularly psychedelic drug experiences: one's mindset and the setting in which the user has the experience. This is especially relevant for psychedelic or hallucinogenic experiences. The term was coined by Timothy Leary, and became widely accepted by researchers in psychedelic psychotherapy.[1]

'Set' is the mental state a person brings to the experience, like thoughts, mood and expectations. 'Setting' is the physical and social environment. Social support networks have shown to be particularly important in the outcome of the psychedelic experience.[2] They are able to control or guide the course of the experience, both consciously and subconsciously. Stress, fear, or a disagreeable environment, may result in an unpleasant experience (bad trip). Conversely, a relaxed, curious person in a warm, comfortable and safe place is more likely to have a pleasant experience.

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Of course, the drug dose does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key — it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures. The nature of the experience depends almost entirely on set and setting. Set denotes the preparation of the individual, including his personality structure and his mood at the time. Setting is physical — the weather, the room's atmosphere; social — feelings of persons present towards one another; and cultural — prevailing views as to what is real. It is for this reason that manuals or guide-books are necessary. Their purpose is to enable a person to understand the new realities of the expanded consciousness, to serve as road maps for new interior territories which modern science has made accessible
—Timothy Leary, The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting





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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Ballerium]
    #18749340 - 08/23/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you keep getting those feelings, you should probably change.
You seem unfulfilled. Do something to make yourself proud, go out of your way to be nice. Become the person you think you should be.
Maybe you are doing shitty things .
Either way, improving yourself will only make you happy, on or off drugs.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Chowder963]
    #18749349 - 08/23/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've had this introspective trip many times. Don't beat yourself up. If you can take specifics from your trip and actually change those things you see as bad.... then you've used your experience wisely. IMO Psyches are here for a reason, they're tools if you use them properly. It doesn't make sense to consistently see the things you're being shown and not change them. I'm not downing you by any means. I'm just as guilty of saying "man, that's fucked up" when I'm on and then saying "yeah, its fucked but what are ya gonna do about it" and do nothing about it. Its hard work changing yourself for the better. Using tools like psyches is an incredible way to do just that. Just meditate on those negatives and maybe you'll come to a realization. Either you're being hard on yourself or it is something you really don't want to be anymore.
Don't know if that helps but I completely understand where you're coming from.
Peace love faith and hope my friend.
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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: meatables]
    #18749365 - 08/23/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ballerium parrot and metables. Thank you.

Im still curious what other people think so anyone willing to chime in is very welcome.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Chowder963]
    #18749392 - 08/23/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think these are learning moments for you.  You can change but it doesn't need to happen overnight.  Take one insight from a trip and work on making that change.  Then on your next trip see what is offered.

I find it helpful to not identify with my thoughts (while sober and especially on psychs)
Just watch them pass.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Chowder963]
    #18749398 - 08/23/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And, no thanks to me?  :okay:


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: OldHam]
    #18749409 - 08/23/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lol omg I skipped old ham haha THANKS TO YOU TOO HOLMEZ!!! :heart:

THANK YOU TO ANYONE REPLIES IM TRULY CURIOUS ABOUT EVERYONES RESPONSE.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: meatables] * 1
    #18749422 - 08/23/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can say that I have experienced that too many times. I was young a fucking stupid when a started psych's, and an asshole too as you would put it. I had fun a few times, but there was also all this bad shit and weird shit about myself, that i just didn't understand. I hadn't done any research, I didn't know anything about these drugs I was taking really or how they actually changed and affected lives. I was in a sad sorry state of mind and I kept taking them thinking "maybe it will be fun again" while ignoring all the glaring problems with myself they were screaming at me. Eventually I took the one trip where they seriously just kicked me in my fucking teeth for ignoring all my problems over and over hoping for some cheap thrills. I was seriously traumitized. I still suffer negative results from the trauma I suffered. You know deep down why you keep having bad trips. If you don't wanna change it, tough noogies, have fucking fun when you get your ass kicked. Otherwise lay off the psychedelics for a long time, go get some hobbies, better yourself, lick some poon, and then one day when your a different person, take a new trip.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Chowder963]
    #18749424 - 08/23/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, they dont for me! But sometimes in the back of my head, I think that I can live perfectly normally without them at all and skip the middle man. But I'm happy with it, They're there for now, and if i'm genuinely happy then im happy!:psychsplit:

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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Shortknight]
    #18749478 - 08/23/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, I don't really intensely reflect on my flaws when I trip, I'm too caught up in the beauty of it all and that alone pushes me to make changes in my life after the trip to further my own happiness.


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Re: Do psyches make you feel like a bad person? [Re: Shortknight]
    #18749483 - 08/23/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I used to feel this way when I tripped OP. I would still trip time after time knowing every time that I would eventually have to change my ways. I then set a goal for myself that I wouldn't trip until I was back in school. School started 3 days ago and i still haven't tripped. Don't really feel the urge to either. If you don't like your pants change them..!


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