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kinkaku
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18745018 - 08/22/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Juiceh
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18745079 - 08/23/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: The only reason it would do anything else is because your fan is going at a different speed than the size of the room
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18745115 - 08/23/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had to lol at this.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18745363 - 08/23/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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kinkaku said:

Simple and yet so effective.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18746590 - 08/23/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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toxetel said:
I think I gave a more detailed explanation than that. Air doesn't move from one place to another in a closed room -- it circulates. So if you're working in a room with dirty air in it, a fan anywhere in the room will blow that dirty air onto your work.
That's exactly why it could work, what do you think circulate means? The air should flow down around the walls and up in the center of the room, underneath the fan. Are you implying circulates means total chaos and randomness everywhere? You don't need to be an aeronautics expert to understand this. The only reason it would do anything else is because your fan is going at a different speed than the size of the room, or the furniture creates too much turbulence. House fans are designed to move the air exactly like that, if not they wouldn't even have a summer and a winter mode as they'd do the same thing.
This is the reason I'm tempted to flame/bash on your idea. You don't seem to understand how gases function in reality. Yet you won't just go try it, because maybe you know it won't work.
One of the funniest things I've read in a while is you trying to explain "why this would work."
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toxetel
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18746780 - 08/23/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: You don't need to be an aeronautics expert to understand this.
That's the only part of what you wrote that makes any sense. It seems like language is failing us. I guess empiricism is your only hope. Please let us know how it works out when you test out this method.
Good luck, brother.
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HiLIFE
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: toxetel]
#18746890 - 08/23/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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this idea is almost as good as the "reverse microwave" idea(as seen on cky) lmao. whats wrong with a still air box? i have almost perfect results. maybe you should be working on your sterile technique instead of this!
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FunnyLight
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: HiLIFE]
#18747026 - 08/23/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Krypto, So the core idea here is that we're pulling air up and away from our work. That's a fine idea.
That air will be circulating throughout our room. Our room in inevitably dirty, hence trying the fan idea to keep it clean.
So now this air that's moving up and away from our work is dirty/contaminated.
Here's why that is bad: As that air moves past the edges of our work pieces, table, agar, hands, it will circulate in a turbulent manor, moving over the surface of our work pieces. This brings in dirty air to our agar, table, hands and tools.
Here's a picture showing that sort of action. The lines that go left to right can be thought of as the air that's orientated moving from the floor to the ceiling in our room. The wing shape can be thought of as our table, hand, agar dish or tools.

You can see that this upward (or left to right in the pic) moving air will mix in over the surface of our tools, agar, hands (or wing shape in the pic).
This will bring the air from our dirty room into contact with the clean work pieces.
Or here, in this picture you can see how the air gets sucked in and around the back of the van. This would be our clean work pieces getting contammed by this dirty air.

P.S. I am an engineer.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: FunnyLight]
#18747161 - 08/23/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18747754 - 08/23/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I am going to try it because it's the only way to find out. I stopped coming to this forum for the most part a couple years ago because it was all the same shit, no improvements, just the same old ideas again and again. I come back and unsurprisingly nothing's changed outside of bubble wrap . This place is using teks from 5-10 years ago and is scared to forge their own path and advance the hobby. Sure not every idea someone throws out there is going to work, including my own of course, but you guys just shoot it down not on logical grounds but because it doesn't follow a single proven method from the past.
Yeah, why should I go to algebra class? It's just the same old equations and principals again and again and nothing ever new is tried.
Why do I need to learn how to punch before I can learn the full kata? If I hadn't earned my black belt practicing the basics of swordsmanship I never would have been able to open up my mind and begin to discover my own technique.
We practice tried and true methods to gain experience. Most of the people who post questions on here are some form of newcomer to mycology. What most newcomers want is GUARANTEED RESULTS. Working with well understood methods helps us to understand the life cycle of mushrooms and see how they grow from start to finish. From what I've read, I've never seen anyone go against the idea of experimentation. But to truly perform an experiment it takes a working knowledge of mycology of which only a select few members of this board really have. It just so happens that with the explosion of the internet, the techniques over the last 5 - 10 years have become well practiced and mastered. They are a good place to start for newcomers. I don't really branch away from the known technique because I don't feel I have a fully working understanding of the mushroom life cycle. I haven't failed enough times to know what not to do.
I for one WANT to see your technique idea succeed. Try it and show us the results. If we could all save a few hundred dollars on flow hoods that would be awesome.
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Kizzle
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Turbolence at work. The air isn't just going to pass by it gets in everything.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18748257 - 08/23/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18748414 - 08/23/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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rbalzer said:
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old. 
I blame the American public school system.
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PussyFart
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18748416 - 08/23/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I blame obama...
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krypto2000
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18748459 - 08/23/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe it's simply a breakdown in language, but 'circulates' to me means following a circular pattern. We all know what circles are, they're round and smooth, not full of bubbles and waves going in random directions. What funnylights described very clearly is not a simple circulation, but ciculation combined with the effects of turbulance. Maybe I'm as dumb as a 5 year old on this topic, and if so I'm fine with that, but just like when a 5 year old has what to them seems like a bright idea you don't call him a dumbass, you kindly explain the failure in his logic and why it wouldn't work as funnylights did. Mocking and ridicule does not help anyone but your own ego regardless how old you or your audience is. I'm now convinced the idea won't work to the point I don't think it's worth trying, I certainly never said it would work or I wouldn't have posted to ask others thoughts on it in the first place. Thank you to those who were understanding and actually helped explain this to me.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18748543 - 08/23/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't feel stupid. If you've ever heard of the oven tek, a bunk substitute for a flow hood, it was supposed to work in a similar fashion and a lot of people were convinced it did because you can't see what's actually going on.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18748552 - 08/23/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
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rbalzer said:
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old. 
I blame the American public school system.
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SpitballJedi said:
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rbalzer said:
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old. 
I blame the American public school system.
thats exactly what it is. the public schools are the worst.
krypto: if you knew what circulate meant, it would have been explained in a couple posts. I'll go back and check.
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18748650 - 08/23/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah, leave the guy alone now. Let's just all look forward to BloodKill's results ^_^
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18748786 - 08/23/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ah fine. I'll stop
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rew736
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18748815 - 08/23/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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