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Re: Preparing Wbs and Coir Substrate together all in one [Re: MaJiK_420]
    #18748468 - 08/23/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's not gonna work very well.

Why not just use PF mix in the bag and inoculate that?

Oeric, mycobags aren't usually full of bulk substrate, unless they're meant for you to spawn a jar to it in the bag.


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Re: Preparing Wbs and Coir Substrate together all in one [Re: BloodKil]
    #18749895 - 08/24/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The point of grain spawn is to let myc colonize, but also to be a highly nutritious food source.

This idea may work but I would use lc to inject instead of spores, better yet use a grain or agar transfer,also I wouldnt go above a 1:3 ratio. You may have better luck making a grain pocket of sorts to inject into instead of maybe missing and hitting the coir.

The premise has already been done, search coir cakes, or poo cakes. I haven't seen anyone do a spawn bag of such though. It is a bit more labor and energy intensive but would cut out pasteurization if you did enough bags.



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And this could be done with bigger size bags gizmo...  Theoretically you could do a entire tubs worth at once, but as mad chef said above, separating to coir and grain spawn pockets initially would likely be necessary...  After the grain spawn had colonized, one could simply mash the grains and mix. 

From there I would think one would wish to allow it to colonize and fruit out of the bag as the coir had been sterilized, however who knows...  it might be that the exposure to the mycelium throughout the process might partially "seed" the coir or have given it extra defenses due to being around the myc pee exposure (per willsolvem's train of thought maybe?) 

It would all be theoretical though and although it may have saved a step it also may fail miserably.  More chance of failure I would think by placing in tub after mixing, but either way it has my interest and if flip has time to experiment I personally would be greatful for the reading and knowledge one way or the other...



Oh... With pockets yes lol I didn't really understand that part but now I get it. I actually have a similar experiment I tried inside of 1 pint jars using a coffee filter to divide the layer of spawn from substrate. I will try to get pics posted by tomorrow night for you guys.


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Re: Preparing Wbs and Coir Substrate together all in one [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18749901 - 08/24/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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To any naysayers,  this has been done many times successfully in the past.
  They call these "mycobags" commonly, and are a one-step idea.
I've never done one, but the concept is logical.



Im pretty sure those are meant to be used with spawn. They sell them with grains and they sell them with sub generally if you want good results you mix the colonized myco bag filled with spawn with the myco bag filled with substrate. Honestly I wasn't trying to say it wouldnt work I was saying it wouldnt work well.
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Re: Preparing Wbs and Coir Substrate together all in one [Re: gizmo1]
    #18749950 - 08/24/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It was more common in the past. Yes the term "mycobag" is a broad term.
Putting the grains In a single area to be inoculated, and mixing a week or so later would probably be a best bet for this idea


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Re: Preparing Wbs and Coir Substrate together all in one [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18786507 - 09/01/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i've never though of using grass seeds thats awesome! so i tried the idea i came up with and it didnt work out haha it was like nothing happend at all so i dumped it on my outdoor patch


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Re: Preparing Wbs and Coir Substrate together all in one [Re: flipsidetrue]
    #18791963 - 09/02/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i dont think coir works that way.


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