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OfflineJames_Hiffings
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PRISM and drugs
    #18746843 - 08/23/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

anyone know what the goverment is planning on doing with the people they spy on who search for drug info on google?


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: James_Hiffings]
    #18746850 - 08/23/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing.
They have bigger fish.


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: James_Hiffings]
    #18746857 - 08/23/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It may be used as a crutch to fall back on if something goes awry in an investigation, or if they need reason to search you.


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: Caboose]
    #18746986 - 08/23/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Both answers are absolutely correct. Simply said, the government doesn't give two fucks about you personally. They're using their time and research looking for big time drug dealers and importers, not drug using hippies on the internet.


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: eMpire420]
    #18747015 - 08/23/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

WRONG.

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Which brings us to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). As we noted previously, the DEA has a secret division called the Special Operations Division or SOD. The SOD receives intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records from its partner agencies, of which the NSA is just one, to distribute to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans. The SOD gets information from the NSA and shares it with, among other agencies, the IRS.

And this is where things get truly ugly. When agents receive SOD information and rely on it to trigger investigations, they are directed to omit the SOD’s involvement from investigative reports, affidavits, discussions with prosecutors and courtroom testimony. Agents are instructed to then use “normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD.” IRS agents receiving SOD data, which presumably can include information from the NSA, have been similarly instructed. They are instructed, in other words, to create a fake investigative file, and to lie. To lie, in particular, to defense lawyers and to judges, about the source of the evidence used in criminal prosecutions.

By hiding the fact that information comes from NSA surveillance, the government both masks the extent to which NSA’s domestic spying is used to trigger investigations of Americans, and prevents legal challenges to highly questionable surveillance practices like bulk phone record collection, warrantless access to American communications with friends and family overseas, and retention and use of illegally obtained domestic calls and emails.




taken from; http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2013/08/14/nsa-dea-irs-lie-about-fact-that-americans-are-routinely-spied-on-by-our-government-time-for-a-special-prosecutor-2/

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A day after we learned of a draining turf battle between the NSA and other law enforcement agencies over bulk surveillance data, it now appears that those same agencies are working together to cover up when those data get shared.

The Drug Enforcement Administration has been the recipient of multiple tips from the NSA. DEA officials in a highly secret office called the Special Operations Division are assigned to handle these incoming tips, according to Reuters. Tips from the NSA are added to a DEA database that includes “intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records.” This is problematic because it appears to break down the barrier between foreign counterterrorism investigations and ordinary domestic criminal investigations.

Because the SOD’s work is classified, DEA cases that began as NSA leads can’t be seen to have originated from a NSA source.

So what does the DEA do? It makes up the story of how the agency really came to the case in a process known as “parallel construction.” Reuters explains:

    Some defense lawyers and former prosecutors said that using “parallel construction” may be legal to establish probable cause for an arrest. But they said employing the practice as a means of disguising how an investigation began may violate pretrial discovery rules by burying evidence that could prove useful to criminal defendants.

The report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance uncovered by former Booz Allen Hamilton contractor Edward Snowden. In other words, we don’t know for sure if the DEA’s Special Operations Division is getting its tips from the same database that’s been the subject of multiple congressional hearings in recent months. We just know that a special outfit within DEA sometimes gets tips from the NSA.

There’s another reason the DEA would rather not admit the involvement of NSA data in its investigations: It might lead to a constitutional challenge to the very law that gave rise to the evidence.

Earlier this year, a federal court said that if law enforcement agencies wanted to use NSA information in court, they had to say so beforehand and give the defendant a chance to contest the legality of the surveillance. Lawyers for Adel Daoud, who was arrested in a federal sting operation and charged with trying to detonate a bomb, suspect that Daoud was identified using NSA information but was never told.

Surveys show most people support the NSA’s bulk surveillance program strongly when the words “terrorism” or “courts” are included in the question. When pollsters draw no connection with terrorism, support tends to wane. What will happen when the question makes clear that the intelligence not only isn’t being used for terrorism investigations against foreign agents, but is actively being applied to criminal investigations against Americans?




taken from; http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/05/the-nsa-is-giving-your-phone-records-to-the-dea-and-the-dea-is-covering-it-up/


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18747118 - 08/23/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do they care about the small fish, probably not.

Common sense should apply in regards to discussion of your gear as always, though... especially if you are talking about an amount of stuff that's considered more than what's personally used.


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: mushroomfred]
    #18747348 - 08/23/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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mushroomfred said:
Do they care about the small fish, probably not.

Common sense should apply in regards to discussion of your gear as always, though... especially if you are talking about an amount of stuff that's considered more than what's personally used.




This is true. Which is why you should really never talk about or grow more than enough for personal use. It's just common sense.


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: eMpire420]
    #18747549 - 08/23/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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eMpire420 said:
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mushroomfred said:
Do they care about the small fish, probably not.

Common sense should apply in regards to discussion of your gear as always, though... especially if you are talking about an amount of stuff that's considered more than what's personally used.




This is true. Which is why you should really never talk about or grow more than enough for personal use. It's just common sense.





^^ Selling aint worth the risk!


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18747748 - 08/23/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt drug kingpins are searching how to smuggle blow on Google. Yes the DEA has access to illegally obtained data the NSA snooped. This doesn't have shit to do with you searching. You could Google terms related to making LSD all day, nothing is going to happen to you.
The NSA didn't just hand over records of every drug search on Google, its a lot more specific. Now if the DEA was already watching you, your searches could be monitored and they can get the this information without a warrant.
I hate to break it to you but there are way too many sites like this, people searching drug terms, just so much data that it would overwhelming to any agency and they would need serious filtering. They could know the names and addresses of everyone on shroomery, it would do no good. Investigating of 100 000 users isn't going to happen.


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Re: PRISM and drugs [Re: James_Hiffings]
    #18747795 - 08/23/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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Do not make off topic posts like this in here.


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