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OfflineHerpAlbert
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hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container?
    #18746113 - 08/23/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Like put the mushroom spores in the container and grow, and then open and never birth or anything, just everything in the SAME CONTAINER?

Thanks.

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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18746144 - 08/23/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

it's called an in vitro grow and people use myco bags to do this


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18746154 - 08/23/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My friends wants to KISS, Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Hahaha. Just kiddin. I mean, not you. Just that what the phrase saying.


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18746295 - 08/23/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HerpAlbert said:
Like put the mushroom spores in the container and grow, and then open and never birth or anything, just everything in the SAME CONTAINER?





Yes.



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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #18746301 - 08/23/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome, that's exactly what my friend was saying.
Is that poop? How would one do that if someone was writing a book?


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18746325 - 08/23/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Check the link in my signature.

Those are pans but the same principle can be applied to cubes as well with just regular BRF and vermiculite.


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #18746329 - 08/23/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

cool, thank you.

a nice person, finally.


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18746358 - 08/23/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We cannot proceed.
To view this forum you need to be registered for 14 days and make 10 posts. You have 14 days left to go.

well, I will just wait then. thank you though.


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18746384 - 08/23/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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well, I will just wait then. thank you though.




Here's the first page (all you need).

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I have been successful with the following species: Panaeolus cambodginiensis, Panaeolus cyanescens and Panaeolus tropicalis using the method below.  Next up I am going to try Panaeolus cinctulus.

Panaeolus cambodginiensis



Panaeolus cyanescens



Panaeolus tropicalis



I have used both half pint jars and Ziploc half pint plastic bowls.



Both have worked but the Ziploc bowls have more surface area to fruit.  One thing about the plastic bowls though.  The color of the lids makes it hard to see the holes that you made.  How I combat this is to add colored tape (electrical black tape works well) and then poke the holes through the tape.

Mac's Modified PF Recipe:

1 part vermiculite
1 part store bought manure/humus mix (I bought the Scott's brand)
1 part water
1 part whole brown rice (ground to flour with a coffee grinder)
1/2 part worm castings
1 tablespoon used Duncan Donuts coffee
a pinch of gypsum depending on how much substrate you have (for 5 cakes I use a nice sized pinch)

1 part = 1 full Ziploc bowl = 5 cakes with enough room for a dry verm layer

Top them off with a dry vermiculite layer as usual.

Here are photos of a colonizing Ziploc.

Day 9 after inoculation (it usually takes around 7 days to start seeing good growth for Pans IME):



2 weeks (14 days) after inoculation.



3 to 4 weeks (21-28 days) after inoculation.

 

As you notice, I keep the foil on the lids for an extra protection sometimes (not needed).  I poke air holes (after inoculation and when growth is seen) in the foil that are offset from the inoculation holes in the lids.  Plus there is a dry vermiculite layer so it's probably overkill but it works.

Once colonized...wait the week of consolidation time and then comes the fun part.

Take the top off the jar/Ziploc and scrape the dry vermiculite layer out.  Don't worry if some myc has grown up into it.  It will recover pretty quickly.  Just get out what comes out without hurting it too much.

Then, case the cake inside the jar/Ziploc with 50/50 + pasturized mix at a thickness of just enough to cover the mycelium and try to even it out as best as you can.  Don't worry too much about how even it is....it's not a big deal breaker.

I then place them directly into the SGFC after casing.  I have seen people wait 48 hours for recovery but I find it not needed.

Here is the MacMerdin twist:  I bury the jars/Ziploc bowls up to the top in the perlite.  This does two things.  One, gives a nice moist atmosphere and two, fresher air at the surface of the perlite.  I figured that since a SGFC works from fresh air coming up through the bottom, I would use this fresh air as my FAE source.  :smile:

3 days after placing in the FC.



5 days after placing in the FC.



6 days after placing in the FC.



7 days after placing in the FC.



As for maintenance of the casing layer and misting/fanning:

I use a water dropper (child medicine dropper) to drip water on the casing layer to keep it moist.  Just drop water until it starts to pool a little and then don't moisten until you see that it has dried a bit more.  Usually 1 or 2 times a day is sufficient.

I mist upwards towards the lid of the SGFC so that only a very fine mist gets blown down around the chamber.  Then I fan and mist the same way again.

Misting the pins directly will abort them but they like the fine mist in the air.

I am experimenting with the misting aspect as I am starting to believe misting may be more detrimental than good in the overall scheme of things......I'm going to start just misting the perlite this round to see what results I get.....will update.<<<<<<  This wasn't working.  They like the mist in the air IME.

Have fun and please feel free to ask questions or comment on how I can improve.  :thumbup:


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #18746405 - 08/23/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You are awesome!


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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18746531 - 08/23/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Pf tek can be done and fruits out of the jar, aso grain can be cased in the jar, mckenna bros used this tek in her book.
Pan cakes also good(what mac merdin posted)
Also search for violets tek.
Use the search function :smile:

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Re: hey yall, can you like shoot the stuff and grow in the same container? [Re: NagualaPawer]
    #18746549 - 08/23/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Like those plastic containers, so easy!


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