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    #18742468 - 08/22/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So i am following Damion5050 coir tek its been 8 days.
When its 10 days are complete says Damion i'm suppose to introduces light on it.
its still inside a black bag on top of my tower shelf.
I open it to cheek it, hope that all right.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595

My ingredient:
8 cups of verm
14 cups of boil tap water
and a brick of coir

Question:

I know this is early question but how many days does it take to pins?
Do i have fan and mist the mono tub?

how do you flush this coir for a second flush?








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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: Wacko]
    #18742529 - 08/22/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No and if these are open air pics you will only have contams


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18742569 - 08/22/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i offed the fan,spray lysol on the air and waited to settle
that could help. but if it does then shit happens.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: Wacko] * 1
    #18742578 - 08/22/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i follow franks tek and fruit within 4-7 days of mixing.  i wait until surface is colonized 100% then fruit.

how many quarts of spawn did you use?


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: twistedty]
    #18742655 - 08/22/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

1 quart of spawn


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: twistedty]
    #18742671 - 08/22/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

what light are you using in does pictures?


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: Wacko]
    #18742681 - 08/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Not trying to be a dick but this will be a contam thread in a week.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18742991 - 08/22/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

who knows :smile:
i still got more grains and pf jars.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: Wacko] * 1
    #18743184 - 08/22/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

what tek did you follow.  for a tub that size i would of used at least 6-10qts.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: ghostinthemist] * 1
    #18743196 - 08/22/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Lol cause I'm sure you know oh so much, ghost. Monotubs aren't sterile and the only thing he's doing wrong is only putting one qt of spawn for all that coir. Opening during colonization isn't good because high co2 is needed but it won't set himback that much.

Actually....

Bucket tek...no
Way too much water.
Too much verm. This is my opinion, though.

Wait until full colonization and then give plenty of fresh air.

Do lots more research though. You are headed in the wrong direction.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: twistedty]
    #18743713 - 08/22/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I followed Damion5050's Coir Tek  :whippedcreamhead:
I kind of did not put in mind about the among of spawns need it for bucket tek :stars:
can i uses eager as an excuses  :zomgzomgzomg:  lol

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595

So i don't have to wait 10 days to move it to fruiting?

i have to wait in till the surface looks white. :waitingpatiently:





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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: jolo]
    #18743733 - 08/22/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, you speak logic :smile:
idk what was the point of hes rudeness :mushroom2:

So i should not wait 10 days and just go for waiting the surface to look colonized? :waitingpatiently:

Eager was my excuses for opening before the 10 days. :zomgzomgzomg:


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: jolo]
    #18744320 - 08/22/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Lol cause I'm sure you know oh so much, ghost. Monotubs aren't sterile and the only thing he's doing wrong is only putting one qt of spawn for all that coir. Opening during colonization isn't good because high co2 is needed but it won't set himback that much.

Actually....

Bucket tek...no
Way too much water.
Too much verm. This is my opinion, though.

Wait until full colonization and then give plenty of fresh air.

Do lots more research though. You are headed in the wrong direction.



Actually opening any substrate when not fully colonized is going to get contaminated


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: ghostinthemist] * 1
    #18744360 - 08/22/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Actually opening any substrate when not fully colonized is going to get contaminated



This is most certainly false. Considering we spawn to bulk substrate in open air your argument is invalid.  :shrug:


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18744868 - 08/22/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yes but the idea is you are taking a completely sterile substrate and quickly mixing it with colonized spawn.  The idea there is that you hope the spawn can take it over quick enough to destroy any other combative spores or bacteria.  Hence the reason you leave it air tight and closed to consolidate for up to a week.  If he were at 100% or even maybe close I would say he's fine but judging by the picture he is going to have a problem.  We shall see though because he should keep posting till it fruits i would assume.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: Wacko] * 1
    #18744916 - 08/22/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Yes but the idea is you are taking a completely sterile substrate and quickly mixing it with colonized spawn.  The idea there is that you hope the spawn can take it over quick enough to destroy any other combative spores or bacteria.



:facepalm:  No bro...just no....

First of all we do not sterilize bulk substrate material that is getting spawned to in open air.

We pasteurize it....which makes contam resistant....so open air spawning is possible.

The spawn is not going to "destroy" anything.

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Hence the reason you leave it air tight and closed to consolidate for up to a week.



:facepalm: We do not leave it "air tight", the imperfect lid provides the needed gas exchange.

And we wait until full colonization to fruit it, no need to let bulk consolidate.

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If he were at 100% or even maybe close I would say he's fine but judging by the picture he is going to have a problem.



I agree, but for different reasons.

Because of the extremely rhizomorphic mycellium, I am assuming there is a bacterial problem.

Ignore advice that says opening the tub before 100% is a guaranteed failure.

These people do not realize that there are millions of contams already mixed into the substrate, from when it was spawned in the open air.

Pasteurized substrate material is contam resistant.


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So i am following Damion5050 coir tek its been 8 days.
When its 10 days are complete says Damion i'm suppose to introduces light on it.
its still inside a black bag on top of my tower shelf.



No need to keep it in the dark, or in a bag.

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: PussyFart]
    #18745805 - 08/23/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.




I hear lots of people saying lately that incubation is outdated. Incubation is really just a tool isn't it?. If your environment is too cold then you need it, or you need a heater, its not outdated. I understand what your saying though, incubation, in an environment that's already warm enough is a pointless extra step.

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P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.




Some one should start a thread with all the different advised temperatures, Ive seen so many variations. Would be interesting to see what works for different people.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: DustJuice] * 1
    #18745850 - 08/23/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Op next time use:
- 1 brick of coir
- 2 quarts of verm (8 cups)
- 5 quarts of boiling water (20 cups)
- 5 or 6 qts of spawn

I seriously doubt you will see anything from that tub. Go ahead and get you another one going. When I use the recipe stated above it is usually fully colonized in about 5 days. I do not put a casing layer on and I don't recommend it. Use frankhorrigans tek to dial in your tub for best results. Also ignore all of the stuff stated by ghostinthemidst. It is all just plain wrong but hacker has already corrected it all anyway. It's what he does after all  :spank:


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: PussyFart]
    #18746865 - 08/23/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I used my digital camera, you don't mind taking a look at it.


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Re: mycelium/coir progress [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18746893 - 08/23/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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