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Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work?
    #18745276 - 08/23/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys. I've been hanging around for a while reading up and making a purely theoretical plan for my own imagination. I can't use many of the popular grains discussed because I have celiacs disease. I was hoping I could get a review of my plan and make sure I have covered all my bases.

I plan to use red milo with milled flax and quinoa prepped in coffee with the 50:50 casing of peat/verm, crushed oyster shells and calcium carbonate. I'll be using my syringes to inoculate and prep an lc first

I guess I'm more concerned about ensuring this is the propper casing for this grain, and I'm not sure if I need to use vermiculite with in the substrate.

I was also curious if I could use this substrate mix for tampensis and mexicana a.


I've invested in the proper sterilization equipment, and built a glove box, incubation chamber and a fruiting chamber so I want to make sure my ducks are in a row.

thank you all in advance
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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18746054 - 08/23/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18746137 - 08/23/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Please read the forum rules....

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Also, I suggest skipping LCs all together, that is just asking for problems.

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Astrodelic said:
I guess I'm more concerned about ensuring this is the proper casing for this grain, and I'm not sure if I need to use vermiculite with in the substrate.




If you are just casing grains, there is no need for verm unless it is n your casing layer mix.

But I would suggest spawning to a bulk substrate, to get the most bang for your buck.

Casing straight grains sucks IMO.

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Astrodelic said:
I've invested in the proper sterilization equipment, and built a glove box, incubation chamber and a fruiting chamber so I want to make sure my ducks are in a row.



Turn the glovebox into a still air box, where the gloves are attached to your hands and not the box.

No need for an incubation chamber.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

What kind of FC?


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18746545 - 08/23/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Actually OP the grains they are grown on will not cause the fruits to contain gluten :thumbup:

Every single edible mushroom I know of that is grown commercially is on grains at some point in the process.


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18747816 - 08/23/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I apologize to all. I have read the rules, and am cer grateful for receiving only a warning.

Thank you for pointing me towards the bulk subsrate. I'm thinking about following this mix: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595

This was the fruiting chamber tek I was looking at following http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6426934#6426934


I had read that edible mushrooms often absorb gluten when grown off of gluten containing grains (I've avoided mushrooms at the store because of this : /) is that not true of cubes then?

Thanks for the replies guys


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18747972 - 08/23/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If it is detected it is only in very very miniscule amounts. As far as I know, it is not detected in 99.99% of cases. That is, all the cases I've seen. There may be an exception.

Since we're a lawsuit happy country in the US at least, this has led to a lot of hearsay and disclaimers about mushrooms absorbing gluten from the grains they are grown on. This is not been proven to be true though.

Mushrooms are considered "gluten-free."


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18748246 - 08/23/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Astrodelic, I have celiac also, and my wife is a Ph.D. nutritionist. She has walked me thru the science of using grain spawn and how gluten, a long-chain protein, could not possibly be taken up into the fruiting body of a mushroom. The protein is simply too large to be transported without a liquid. So long as you don't end up with a piece of substrate on your fruits, you're good. The only way you could get an exposure when using a gluten-containing grain substrate would be to eat the substrate.


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18748255 - 08/23/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's immensely helpful, thank you guys. I can't rep ya'll for it yet but when I'm able to I will

I've had a heck of a time trying to find red milo.


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18748261 - 08/23/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No problem :grin:

I think this is a fantastic question, because information like this can be very hard to come by.


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: chuckz]
    #18748437 - 08/23/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

my brother had celiac.
sorry to hear that you have it.

i would recommend the brown rice flower. since it is rice flower
dont go with rye

or wbs if your trying to do bulk


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: nepter627]
    #18749564 - 08/23/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

@chuckz/frank

do ya'll think sclerotia could be safely grown in rgs if one took the time to carefully clean it? I don't know if it would be any different since it grows in the mycelium.


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18749623 - 08/23/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yes, in fact RR speaks about using RGS for sclerotia.

You can use RGS spawn for cubes and other species too.

:brilliant:


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18749682 - 08/23/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I mean without concern for gluten.


I'm actually reading RR's posts on sclerotia right now.


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: Astrodelic]
    #18749715 - 08/24/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I knew more about this :confused:

Best ask someone who isn't me any further questions.

:sorry:


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Re: Newb with celiacs. Will this substrate and casing work? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18749793 - 08/24/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thank you Frank


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