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BloodKil
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738942 - 08/21/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll test this for you guys Friday (need to make up some more agar anyway) My fan is just a 2 second flick of a switch away from winter mode and I've got enough plates that I can run some for control in my glove box and some that can be exposed to all the nasties that I'm sure will be growing in a few days...
I honestly can't believe this thread made it to 3 page. No offense krypto but common sense says this will fail, but I've got the extra supplies right now and am willing to risk being made a fool of if it does defy logic (though from past 2 second tests outside of my gb I know my house is just filled with all sorts of nasties due to the damp environment my house is near)
(Anyone that wants a wdge of my household contams after this is done let me know. )
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Toe_Jam
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: BloodKil]
#18738965 - 08/21/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is this thread not dead yet?
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PhosCap
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18739192 - 08/21/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toe_Jam said: How is this thread not dead yet?
Now that Bloodkil is doing the contam experiment, it shall be alive.
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Bloodkil said: I'll test this for you guys Friday (need to make up some more agar anyway) My fan is just a 2 second flick of a switch away from winter mode and I've got enough plates that I can run some for control in my glove box and some that can be exposed to all the nasties that I'm sure will be growing in a few days...
I honestly can't believe this thread made it to 3 page. No offense krypto but common sense says this will fail, but I've got the extra supplies right now and am willing to risk being made a fool of if it does defy logic (though from past 2 second tests outside of my gb I know my house is just filled with all sorts of nasties due to the damp environment my house is near)
(Anyone that wants a wdge of my household contams after this is done let me know. )
looking forward for this lets put this to the test to end this debate
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18739198 - 08/21/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pestile

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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18739248 - 08/21/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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phosi said: looking forward for this lets put this to the test to end this debate 
Ditto!
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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Pestile]
#18739443 - 08/21/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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The question remains "Where's the sterile air coming from?" Show me sterile air that's not sterile and I'll show you non-sterile air
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krypto2000
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I never say it would work, that's specifically why I said it was an idea, because I don't know. I'm going to test it in a few days out of curiosity, I'll post my results; I'm not so butthurt now that someone with some empathy actually came to chime in, thank you. If you shoot down an idea that's fine, but give a logical reason why and at least pretend you understood what I said.
The idea didn't lack logic, I thought I explained it very clearly what I thought would happen and why it would help. If your fan is in the center of the room and right under your work area, as I assume most fans are, then it will create an upward current under it and a downward current around the walls. This is not unlike the oven tek which uses heat to create an upward current, no one is saying that's a bad idea simply bc it relies on moving air. Theoretically the only spores that will end up in your work will be those that stick to the tools you're using, none should fall in.
Until the third page after I was already done with this idea no one even offered a reason as to why it would fail outside of a blanket statement of 'windflow = spores' which is a rather empty statement in itself. That reason being air turbulence do to an obstructed or uneven current which I already mentioned as a reason it might not work. If you're working in an empty square room, or even more ideally spherical, then this would certainly work as I am imagining. How this will tranlate in practice with furniture, doorways, etc. and whether it would negate the benefit I don't know, that's why I'm not coming here purporting it will work. All I said was, as was already quoted, 'I can't see why it wouldn't', that by no means implies I am convinced it will. If I were convinced it would I would be doing my work that way and not coming on here to gather thoughts on the matter.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18739902 - 08/21/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm surprised this didn't branch off into "hey try a box fan and like 3 hepa furnace filters from Walmart"
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18739980 - 08/21/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I never say it would work, that's specifically why I said it was an idea, because I don't know. I'm going to test it in a few days out of curiosity, I'll post my results; I'm not so butthurt now that someone with some empathy actually came to chime in, thank you. If you shoot down an idea that's fine, but give a logical reason why and at least pretend you understood what I said.
The idea didn't lack logic, I thought I explained it very clearly what I thought would happen and why it would help. If your fan is in the center of the room and right under your work area, as I assume most fans are, then it will create an upward current under it and a downward current around the walls. This is not unlike the oven tek which uses heat to create an upward current, no one is saying that's a bad idea simply bc it relies on moving air. Theoretically the only spores that will end up in your work will be those that stick to the tools you're using, none should fall in.
Until the third page after I was already done with this idea no one even offered a reason as to why it would fail outside of a blanket statement of 'windflow = spores' which is a rather empty statement in itself. That reason being air turbulence do to an obstructed or uneven current which I already mentioned as a reason it might not work. If you're working in an empty square room, or even more ideally spherical, then this would certainly work as I am imagining. How this will tranlate in practice with furniture, doorways, etc. and whether it would negate the benefit I don't know, that's why I'm not coming here purporting it will work. All I said was, as was already quoted, 'I can't see why it wouldn't', that by no means implies I am convinced it will. If I were convinced it would I would be doing my work that way and not coming on here to gather thoughts on the matter.
PLEASE, try this out. I really want to see real results on this. Maybe multiple people will. Everything you say about your "logic" behind this idea is baffling. You seem to think this upward current will shield your agar from the open/moving air. The air filled with contams..
we kept repeating "wind-flow = spores" because that's all this comes down to. It's not an empty statement, but rather a well thought out one.
You don't need a degree in aerodynamics to know that air randomly bounces around the room in ALL directions. Even if they were drawn up, they would still bounce EVERYWHERE.
The definition of a gas is "An airlike fluid substance which expands freely to fill any space available, irrespective of its quantity." Since matter is always in motion, the motion of particles filling any free spaces available results in particles bouncing in ALL directions.
is THAT enough for you who think this might work?
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kinkaku
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18740060 - 08/21/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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the only way i could see this maybe working is if you have a strong enough fan to make a tornado haha even then the eye of your tornado work place would still be normaly contaminated
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TheCyndicate
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18744046 - 08/22/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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toxetel
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18744476 - 08/22/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Until the third page after I was already done with this idea no one even offered a reason as to why it would fail outside of a blanket statement of 'windflow = spores' which is a rather empty statement in itself.
I think I gave a more detailed explanation than that. Air doesn't move from one place to another in a closed room -- it circulates. So if you're working in a room with dirty air in it, a fan anywhere in the room will blow that dirty air onto your work.
I don't know where you got the idea that we're just trying to squash your idea because we don't like new thoughts. We're giving you our thoughts on the concept. That's why you posted your idea, right? So others could help you work through it? I really was trying to help, brother. I sincerely apologize if it seemed like I was talking down to you; that was not my intention.
Incidentally, I am actually an engineer by training and trade. I don't know where you got the idea that nobody on the Shroomery has engineering credentials. We professionals like to cultivate and trip as much as anybody else!
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blackglass6219
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: toxetel]
#18744676 - 08/22/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: toxetel]
#18744765 - 08/22/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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toxetel said:
I think I gave a more detailed explanation than that. Air doesn't move from one place to another in a closed room -- it circulates. So if you're working in a room with dirty air in it, a fan anywhere in the room will blow that dirty air onto your work.
That's exactly why it could work, what do you think circulate means? The air should flow down around the walls and up in the center of the room, underneath the fan. Are you implying circulates means total chaos and randomness everywhere? You don't need to be an aeronautics expert to understand this. The only reason it would do anything else is because your fan is going at a different speed than the size of the room, or the furniture creates too much turbulence. House fans are designed to move the air exactly like that, if not they wouldn't even have a summer and a winter mode as they'd do the same thing.
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blackglass6219
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18744823 - 08/22/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto, i understand what you are trying to do, and why you think it will work, but it wont. as the fan sucks air up, dirty air will take it's place. this is circulation. the air around your agar will go up towards the fan, but will be replaced by spore-ridden air from somewhere else.
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Oeric McKenna
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Yes. This is what I've been trying to explain. Its actually worse than random open air. In mycology, sterile, (or as sterile as possible) air has to come from SOMEWHERE or SONETHING. With a flowhood, the air is forced through a highly efficient (for filtering mold spores) filter. That's the air that "flows" in the "hood" . Sterile air.... That's the problem here. The sterile air is nonexistent. As far as the upward draft, that's about the worst thing. Mold spores fal to rest on the floor. Up, into your work they'd go. Think about it
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Germanelite
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U know what works well for me i use a goant hubble wand and make a biiiiggg bubble with the special bubble stuff that doesnt pop then inwork inside said bubble jo air at all
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kinkaku
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i made you some pictures
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kinkaku
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18745014 - 08/22/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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just so we are on the same page
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