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NoxADVANCED
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Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang)
#18744752 - 08/22/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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any info on Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) would be great, thanks!
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18747184 - 08/23/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: Auxin]
#18747204 - 08/23/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you kidding me? There is this thing called google. If you learn to use it, you might discover this other thing called wikipedia.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: SmOakland]
#18748541 - 08/23/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i wanted some experinces smart arse not just results of the FDA banning it an shit
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18750273 - 08/24/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NoxADVANCED said: i wanted some experinces smart arse not just results of the FDA banning it an shit
try erowid
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: SmOakland] 1
#18752171 - 08/24/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want members from here not some nameless/faceless written shit from Erowid, you cannot question them there as one can here. So just move the fuck on buddy if have nothing to contribute otherwise start contributing your own experinces
Dont try an brew a in my thread, just aint the month to do it.
now back to OP:
Any of you ethno growers out there propagating of utelising this plant? if so how do u find it helps ypu and any cultivation tips?
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18752479 - 08/24/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had started a few seeds, of which only one sprouted. It died several weeks later I think one of the moderators posted a picture of a nice looking plant once, though I don't remember who it was. Hopefully they can chime in with some tips on growing it!
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18752690 - 08/24/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NoxADVANCED said: just move the fuck on buddy if have nothing to contribute otherwise start contributing your own experinces
Perhaps he didnt contribute anything because you didnt even show a glimmer of intelligence, you didnt even ask a specific question! What? was the guy supposed to write you a book on the subject? Few will do that for someone who cant even say what theyre asking. Theres just too much on this plant to cover all bases with one post.
Since you managed to communicate an interest in cultivating it I'll say grow it in the ground, it works far better than pots. Its dioecious, so focus on growing primarily male plants or exclusively female plants if your interest is in harvesting foliage as making fruit reduces a plants foliage output. It grows nicely in pH 8 low-organic loam here.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: Auxin]
#18752730 - 08/24/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I decided to do a quick search on this plant, since I'm going to sow my seeds today (if I can find them ). It seems to need a fairly well-drained soil mix, likes lots of sunlight and should be treated like a cactus. Surface sow the seeds, keep them in a humidity chamber, then wean them off to normal humidity.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15147910
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9638815
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Germination Instructions:
1.) Sprinkle seeds on a slightly damp, airy, loose soil mix 2.) Use a humidity dome 3.) Keep environment humid and warm (75-80 degrees) 4.) Place in a bright area, filtered light
5.) Germination 1-2 weeks with stragglers up to 1 month
Detailed Plant Description:
E. sinica is a perennial evergreen that reaches heights of approximately half a meter. The scarce leaves grow in slender cylindrical yellow-green branches. Ma huang flowers in August with colorful red-fleshy cones that look similar to berries.
Plant Care:
Treat similar to a cactus, dry and warm. Lightly water once in awhile.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: Uneak]
#18754331 - 08/25/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NoxADVANCED said: just move the fuck on buddy if have nothing to contribute otherwise start contributing your own experinces
Perhaps he didnt contribute anything because you didnt even show a glimmer of intelligence, you didnt even ask a specific question! What? was the guy supposed to write you a book on the subject? Few will do that for someone who cant even say what theyre asking. Theres just too much on this plant to cover all bases with one post.
From lookin through his past posts he seems to troll-flame incomplete OP's for shits and giggles. Plus there are better ways to approach those who do not clarify there specific questions than repeating the cliche he has seen posted before his time UTFSE. Constructive criticism is always welcome when done correctly. On the FSE topic most informative posts here are 6-9 yrs old and google is bunch of articles of the FDA.
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Auxin said: Since you managed to communicate an interest in cultivating it I'll say grow it in the ground, it works far better than pots. Its dioecious, so focus on growing primarily male plants or exclusively female plants if your interest is in harvesting foliage as making fruit reduces a plants foliage output. It grows nicely in pH 8 low-organic loam here.
I actually had an entire series of questions that didnt save correctly when i C&P it across, accidentally hit the previous page via quick clicks on mousepad via laptop than i went forward in history and it musnt have saved my whole post as a draft seeing as i have it set at 90 sec intervals.
I have an ounce of powdered sinica, Plus a bag of 20-30 seeds. I even posted one in ODD for experiences but looking in my threads it didn't even get posted due to the quick clicks fiasco/interference.
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Uneak said: I decided to do a quick search on this plant, since I'm going to sow my seeds today (if I can find them ). It seems to need a fairly well-drained soil mix, likes lots of sunlight and should be treated like a cactus. Surface sow the seeds, keep them in a humidity chamber, then wean them off to normal humidity.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15147910
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9638815
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Germination Instructions:
1.) Sprinkle seeds on a slightly damp, airy, loose soil mix 2.) Use a humidity dome 3.) Keep environment humid and warm (75-80 degrees) 4.) Place in a bright area, filtered light
5.) Germination 1-2 weeks with stragglers up to 1 month
Detailed Plant Description:
E. sinica is a perennial evergreen that reaches heights of approximately half a meter. The scarce leaves grow in slender cylindrical yellow-green branches. Ma huang flowers in August with colorful red-fleshy cones that look similar to berries.
Plant Care:
Treat similar to a cactus, dry and warm. Lightly water once in awhile.
Just like cacti- Tender Love and care in the beginning than thrive of what a normal garden plant would consider abuse after established
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18754974 - 08/25/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hate it when posts get lost, lol.
For your powdered material- dont wait too long before using it and perhaps store it in your fridge (but not freezer). The essential oil in E. sinica is central to its action, especially its immunomodulatory action. Even properly shade dried whole stems start loosing a notable bit their effectiveness, particularly for colds and allergies, after 12 months of cool dark storage. Powder looses effect faster. The essential oil is the predominant thing that makes ma huang different from its constituent pseudoephedrine, both increasing effectiveness and decreasing side effects. My chinese medicine encyclopedia says 2-8 grams. Start low as potency is variable.
As for growing it like a cactus- grow it like a mammillaria or a peyote, not like a san pedro- ie. well draining soil that dries between watering, only watering once or a most twice a week in summer and not at all in fall or winter in a plant planted in the ground. I wish Uneak luck growing it in hawaii. If the soil becomes saturated quite often perhaps one strategy to ensure fast drying would be planting it in a large clay pot that has its bottom few inches planted in the ground. The roots could exit the pot into the ground and the soil in the pot could dry faster than the ground could. I would also attempt similar if trying Peganum harmala in such an environment (although if I was in hawaii I'd have a B. caapi collection :P)
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: Auxin] 1
#18757355 - 08/25/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use a flat teaspoon of powder to around 250mls of warm water. Use half to begin with as it can pack a punch and too much will have your heart palpitating.
I grow a few. Once sprouted water infrequently, leaving more dry periods after about 6 months. After a year or so they begin to grow at a reasonable rate and can be left out in the elements. Semi shade with a bit of sun is best.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: karode13]
#18774519 - 08/29/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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karode13 said: I use a flat teaspoon of powder to around 250mls of warm water. Use half to begin with as it can pack a punch and too much will have your heart palpitating.
I grow a few. Once sprouted water infrequently, leaving more dry periods after about 6 months. After a year or so they begin to grow at a reasonable rate and can be left out in the elements. Semi shade with a bit of sun is best.
No straining of plant matter?
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18774534 - 08/29/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's better strained. More palatable.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: karode13]
#18774599 - 08/29/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Glob of unrefined (candy) honey fix that? extracted straight from the hives comb yesterday.
love fresh honey not store shelf crap quality.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18775152 - 08/29/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Our Search function in the upper right corner is great for gathering user input on a variety of subjects including Ephedra.
Though their is not a fuck ton of threads about it so im glad you brought up the conversation.
I have been trying to figure out how to keep them happy for a long time.
I started mine indoors experimented with diffent soil mixes / indoor / outdoor and they grew really fast the first month then they slowed down a whole lot and the frond tips would turn brown as if they were burned.
They are about a year old now. and my biggest healthiest plant died Immediately for some reason when moved outside with the rest.
Now they are finished Recovering from the shock of moving outdoors
And instead of continuing growth from the long burnt tip fronds most have put out 4 - 8 healthy green fronds from the base I will see how they do from here on.
Ill post pics later <3
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#18775318 - 08/29/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Glob of unrefined (candy) honey fix that? extracted straight from the hives comb yesterday.
love fresh honey not store shelf crap quality.
It's not a bad tasting brew actually, just straining the plant matter keeps it from getting caught in your teeth. I prefer manuka honey.
@apple: if they're sprouting from the base, a good sign, then they should flourish from here on. It means you're past the stage where they up and die. At least in my experience anyway.
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Re: Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) [Re: karode13]
#18776408 - 08/30/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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applesmasher420 said: Our Search function in the upper right corner is great for gathering user input on a variety of subjects including Ephedra.
Wow in my 7 years here i have never thought or seen that till 2-3 people pointed out this wondrous function
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applesmasher420 said: Though their is not a fuck ton of threads about it so im glad you brought up the conversation.
Exactly an most dealing with plant matter Sinica are ~9-4 yrs old and not mention cultivation is a lil outdated too, hence my OP that got messed up.
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Glob of unrefined (candy) honey fix that? extracted straight from the hives comb yesterday.
love fresh honey not store shelf crap quality.
It's not a bad tasting brew actually, just straining the plant matter keeps it from getting caught in your teeth. I prefer manuka honey.
@apple: if they're sprouting from the base, a good sign, then they should flourish from here on. It means you're past the stage where they up and die. At least in my experience anyway.
This batch is from an early field of Patterson's Curse, One of the best and clearest honey you will ever get, Canola is the worse but of you can get some specific flowering gums (red gum my fave) its all I wonder what straight extracted/unrefined Manuka Honeys is like? Got a couple of hives with another bloke to help ( he has been working bees for +30 years and just for fun) i have only been running bee's for ~2-3 years so i wouldnt even call myself an Apiarist.
Yes new growth from the old established plant is a very good and healty sign with most plants.
Im not so worried about bits in my teeth, I drink leaf tea (Billy Tea smokey blend) and only remove the larger leaves. Seeing i T&W my kratom i wouldnt even be phased by plant matter in my brew. Even ground coffee i love a little sediment, it brings more flavour out.
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