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Nerve Gas
    #18744430 - 08/22/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent





I think if a person or government or group is using this stuff it should be stopped. Terrible stuff.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Anahata]
    #18744497 - 08/22/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That would be a terrible way to die


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: dontknow]
    #18744673 - 08/22/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think they should use it as much as possible.
Especially on citizens, it'll teach them fuckers
who's the boss.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18744733 - 08/22/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Anahata]
    #18744839 - 08/22/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i think some people deserve it like pedophiles or people doing any other malicious act but as for war i say use BZ that shit is crazy


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: spixce]
    #18744859 - 08/22/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i think mustard gas would be a worse way to die. a full breath of that shit and you are fucked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_mustard


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: ManianFH]
    #18744870 - 08/22/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't what happens when you mix ammonia and bleach right


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Anahata]
    #18744944 - 08/22/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Looks more humane than bombs and bullets. You are deceived by effective propaganda.

The truth is the only reason it's banned is because it could effectively defend weaker countries against stronger ones. If chemical warfare were permitted without threat of nuclear strikes the US for instance would not be able it invade weaker nations in a predatory manner like NAZI Germany did so many years ago. The true argument is that the prohibition guarantees the supremacy of the NWO and the fascist corporate rule the world is now under.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #18744952 - 08/22/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

if i had a country i would use BZ who's with me


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #18745057 - 08/23/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
Looks more humane than bombs and bullets. You are deceived by effective propaganda.

The truth is the only reason it's banned is because it could effectively defend weaker countries against stronger ones. If chemical warfare were permitted without threat of nuclear strikes the US for instance would not be able it invade weaker nations in a predatory manner like NAZI Germany did so many years ago. The true argument is that the prohibition guarantees the supremacy of the NWO and the fascist corporate rule the world is now under.





Hate to be all up on every post you make, but with no fly zones and no
boots on the ground for many campaigns lately, do you think that still holds true?

Interesting POV, btw,  never heard that before. :thumbup:


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: OldHam]
    #18745144 - 08/23/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
Looks more humane than bombs and bullets. You are deceived by effective propaganda.

The truth is the only reason it's banned is because it could effectively defend weaker countries against stronger ones. If chemical warfare were permitted without threat of nuclear strikes the US for instance would not be able it invade weaker nations in a predatory manner like NAZI Germany did so many years ago. The true argument is that the prohibition guarantees the supremacy of the NWO and the fascist corporate rule the world is now under.





Hate to be all up on every post you make, but with no fly zones and no
boots on the ground for many campaigns lately, do you think that still holds true?

Interesting POV, btw,  never heard that before. :thumbup:



Yes, moreso than ever. If a second rate power is going to make an effective defense against a first rate power they need some weapons that can make up for their other deficiencies. A typical no fly zone may be supported by a carrier group or a forward operating base. Either would be vulnerable to a vx rocket as the forces stationed there breath. I read about this some years ago. The US/Israeli vx dispersal system is a rocket based system that sprays vx over an area as it travels. A single vx rocket can take out a military base according to US/Israeli projections or kill a quarter million people if launched over a high population density area. The mere threat of such retaliation would tend to deter aggression much as ownership of second strike capable atomic weapons currently does for first rate powers. It is also ironic that we first rate powers posses dispersal systems for these weapons while second rate powers are denied equal rights to them. The reason for that is simple. We want to maintain our superiority over second rate powers in order to continue economic exploitation of them.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #18745541 - 08/23/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thats pretty incorrect.  Chemical weapons are horribly ineffective compared to conventional weaponry.  They were banned because they're much more likely to maim and cause suffering instead of death.  They're pointlessly cruel considering their inefficiency.

this thread is weird, i just happen to have spent like 4 hours last night reading about chemical weapon use in ww1.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: teamkiller]
    #18745553 - 08/23/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I do the same shit.
Then wonder if people online are stalking me or what...:lol:

Just found this after 10 seconds online:

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Widely used during the First World War, the effects of so-called mustard gas, phosgene gas and others caused lung searing, blindness, death and maiming. In addition, the gas was unreliable because of wind dispersion and often drifted back into the user's own lines. The public was so horrified by the results and the military so unimpressed that the complete elimination of this class of weapon was widely supported after the war. Large modern stockpiles continue to exist, though usually only as a precaution against use by an aggressor. Progress is still being made to fulfill its eradication through international law.




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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: teamkiller]
    #18745556 - 08/23/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #18745583 - 08/23/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
Looks more humane than bombs and bullets. You are deceived by effective propaganda.

The truth is the only reason it's banned is because it could effectively defend weaker countries against stronger ones. If chemical warfare were permitted without threat of nuclear strikes the US for instance would not be able it invade weaker nations in a predatory manner like NAZI Germany did so many years ago. The true argument is that the prohibition guarantees the supremacy of the NWO and the fascist corporate rule the world is now under.



:lolwut:
More humane? yeah suffering from your organs shutting down is way worse than being instantly incinerated or quickly bleeding out from a bullet wound.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: dontknow]
    #18745671 - 08/23/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That would be a terrible way to die





Nerve gas moreover is a terrible way to live. While the death by nerve gas is brutal and swift, a lot more people are gonna survive an exposure than be killed by it.  If you study the Tokyo subway sarin attacks, you'll see that many of the survivors are braindamaged.

That in my view is what makes nerve agents inhumane, the killing itself is fairly merciful. If you are in the vicinity of a Sarin grenade going *pop* you'll have less than two minutes of consciousness ahead of you. Dying of nerve gas is horrible but how about cupping your guts in your helmet while the medic conserves his morphine for those who WILL make it?

War is Hell.

Imagine a hypothetical chemical weapon though that puts people to sleep for 24 hours and then wake up to their position being overtaken. Wouldnt that be much more humane than conventional weapons?


Ellis Dee, if chemical weapons were allowed the US would bully countries even more effectively, with the added chemical option to its arsenal.

Chemical warfare is banned because it started off incredibly inhumanely.


WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE:




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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Anahata]
    #18745824 - 08/23/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dear biological warfare, :fuckyou:


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: teamkiller]
    #18745902 - 08/23/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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thats pretty incorrect.  Chemical weapons are horribly ineffective compared to conventional weaponry.  They were banned because they're much more likely to maim and cause suffering instead of death.  They're pointlessly cruel considering their inefficiency.

this thread is weird, i just happen to have spent like 4 hours last night reading about chemical weapon use in ww1.





Whenever I find one hit of acid is 'inneffective' I raise the dose :wink:


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: dark3st]
    #18745908 - 08/23/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: OldHam]
    #18745915 - 08/23/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: dark3st]
    #18745929 - 08/23/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If every time you toss the acid in the air like a bit o popcorn it lands in someone else's mouth,
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I can't/won't read you hidden shit.




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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: OldHam] * 1
    #18745958 - 08/23/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As real as it gets: The following video shows the US Army firing 12 Sarin nerve gas shells at a collection of farm animals in bunkers, foxholes and similar real world enclosures. Within 40 seconds to 4 minutes of shell impact, all animals were dead. You can judge for yourself the inhumanity of a hard nerve gas strike.

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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Asante]
    #18745976 - 08/23/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

GAS! GAS! GAS!

That's why they train you to have your mask on in 15 seconds or less.
And give you that syringe with speed (or something) in it...wow, how grim.

I guess the effectiveness was that it just seeped through everything regardless of walls or bunkers. If you breath air, this shit will kill you...
Regardless how protected you are from shrapnel and flame.

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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: OldHam]
    #18746393 - 08/23/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: OldHam]
    #18746412 - 08/23/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If every time you toss the acid in the air like a bit o popcorn it lands in someone else's mouth,
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I can't/won't read you hidden shit.




I can't/won't lose sleep over it.



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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: snoot] * 1
    #18746414 - 08/23/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Geez how about slapping a disclaimer on that?  Poor kids :frown:


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: snoot] * 1
    #18746437 - 08/23/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

warning graphic contents. Children twitching and dieing. sick sick sick
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NUKE THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS!
Who would do that to fucking children?

I HOPE obaha sends some miltiary to sort THAT SHIT out.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF HAVING A BAD ASS MILTITARY IF NOT FOR SHIT LIKE THIS.

Makes me fucking sick to my stomach. Jesus Christ.
What a fucked up motherfucker would even do that shit?


RING THE DOORBELL and
Send a fucking guided missile right to his face!


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Asante]
    #18747356 - 08/23/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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As real as it gets: The following video shows the US Army firing 12 Sarin nerve gas shells at a collection of farm animals in bunkers, foxholes and similar real world enclosures. Within 40 seconds to 4 minutes of shell impact, all animals were dead. You can judge for yourself the inhumanity of a hard nerve gas strike.

Warning: graphic animal suffering and death.






Chemical agents have changed a lot since WW1. Chemical agents inflict no more suffering on the victim than any conventional weapon, and usually less as this demonstration shows. Had they lingered as amputees in constant pain for 30 or 40 years like many of today's war victims you'd have more of a point. A couple minutes of pain is insignificant compared to the lifetimes of suffering bullets, explosives, and napalm inflict.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #18747367 - 08/23/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thataintright: So, anyone with a leg wound we should administer one to the dome. Brilliant. Thanks.  :iveseenenough:


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: HerpAlbert]
    #18747398 - 08/23/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Chemical agents have been used in Syria very recently. The United Nations loves to investigate things but take no action. They draw these lines not to be crossed then once there crossed they draw new ones. Buncha pussies u ask me


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Anahata]
    #18747495 - 08/23/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sarin causes a buildup of ACH. Therefore the effects are almost identical to a massive overdose of nicotine. Ever smoked too much nicotine too fast? For the first few moments, like cigarettes, the effect is supposedly quite pleasant, but then the overdose sets in. Like nicotine overdose, it almost certainly causes hallucinations before death.

The treatment is atropine, but other ACH antagonists (classical deliriants) would work. It's such a simple treatment, but you have to treat someone FAST. An atropine syringe should be standard in medkits.


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    #18747531 - 08/23/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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:thataintright: So, anyone with a leg wound we should administer one to the dome. Brilliant. Thanks.  :iveseenenough:



No of course not. A big direction of anti chemical weapon advocates seems to be dragging up pics of mustard gas victims from ww1 though. Those victims fared no worse than if they'd been shot or blasted to pieces and today's chemical agents are so much less horrific than that. Particularly the nerve agents like this thread brought up.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: nooneman]
    #18747540 - 08/23/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



"I'm alive!!"

I wonder what she was thinking.
That they might bury her alive?

That she would be alone, dead, away from her parents so early in her life?

Thank God Russia and China are stopping the weapons inspections and neutering the UN's response...


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    #18747552 - 08/23/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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"I'm alive!!"

I wonder what she was thinking.
That they might bury her alive?

That she would be alone, dead, away from her parents so early in her life?

Thank God Russia and China are stopping the weapons inspections and neutering the UN's response...



She was probably attacked by US covert agents. The false flag is one of the main tools in US warfare these days. And it is effective especially in our era of controlled propaganda media.


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Re: Nerve Gas [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #18747558 - 08/23/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thataintright:


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